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Another brilliantly constructed tower block for you lot to get jelly over: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40891474
Also apparently they (Amber Rudd home secretary) have said the fire brigade will have to find the money for extra equipment (they didn't have at Grenfell) from their existing budget. |
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What did they lack at Grenfell?
Perhaps they could apply to the Grenfell chaaaridy funds which seem to have trousered 85% of the guilt-monies.
So little?
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How many survivors were there? I seem to remember 120, but I've not been keeping notes. £150k each then, excluding any government monies / compensation?
Or is it more likely that this'll become a fund used to pay for a memorial and the fight against the evil government, while being administered by some reasonably well paid charidy execs?
I'm becoming far too cynical. |
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To be fair, checking "Is buildling wall on fire?" would have come up negative every single time prior to Grenfell, and would have delayed them getting to the next job. Which might have been rescuing a kitten from a tree.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | To be fair, checking "Is buildling wall on fire?" would have come up negative every single time prior to Grenfell, and would have delayed them getting to the next job. Which might have been rescuing a kitten from a tree. |
Not in my experience of the fire service.
The only time I called them out for a real fire, was when a dopey restaurant manager put his fag butt in a waste paper towel bin in the staff toilets.
I put the bin out with an extinguisher, when it was discovered a few minutes later.
When the fire brigade turned up, even though the bin was outside and out, they used an axe to tear up the cavity wall behind where the bin was, to check inside.
My understanding of Grenfell, is that the fire was right by an open window. I'd have expected someone would have looked out of the window to see if it spread out there.
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| arry wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
My understanding of Grenfell, is that the fire was right by an open window. I'd have expected someone would have looked out of the window to see if it spread out there. |
Polystyrene can smoulder at quite a low level of heat radiation for a long time before breaking into flame. It wouldn't have been as easy a spot as to chuck head out of window and looksee. Short of ripping the cladding off just in case, there wouldn't have been a lot of option other than stand fire watch for a suitable length of time, which they may well have done; I don't know the exact events of that day. |
A big gamble, when you weigh up the consequences. I wonder who made that decision? I believe it was 4 stories up, so should have been accessible.
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A big gamble, when you weigh up the consequences. I wonder who made that decision? I believe it was 4 stories up, so should have been accessible. |
Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn't it..
Interestingly I've had a contractors claim in this morning of which the loss adjuster's report starts:
Insured operates as a sub-contractor to XYZ Group undertaking installation of polystyrene external wall insulation as part of an energy saving scheme backed by ABC Council.
It's going to be extremely widespread, this stuff; I feel we might have to knock the Grenfellians for their hand-outs to cover the cost.
Further interestingly; this is a site I used to write about 8 years back now:
https://www.bristol-business.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Crest-Nicholsons-Harbourside-development-in-Bristol.jpg
https://www.bristol-business.net/developer-wins-sustainability-accolade/
| Quote: | Crest Nicholson, the developer responsible for Bristol's Harbourside development (pictured), has been named Sustainable Housebuilder of the Year.
The award recognises companies which demonstrate a real commitment to innovation in the housebuilding industry.
The need to reduce carbon emissions and tackle the problems posed by climate change remains an integral part of our mission and sustainability in its broadest sense delivers real business value.
For this reason we continue to drive forward, innovate and explore the use of new technologies that will ensure sustainable standards start to become more of the norm |
What's it made out of, you ask?
https://www.sto.co.uk/en/products/external-wall-insulation/stotherm-vario/stotherm-vario.html
| Quote: | A high performance, cost-effective EPS insulation system with a mineralic reinforcing coat, designed to meet stringent fire safety requirements. |
Concrete frame and form, then the external walls are made of a cement board, lined with 60mm expanded polystyrene thermo-board and rendered with a coloured flexible resin.
Don't worry though, because you only need to have a 25mm fireproof rockwool 'stopper' between the EPS panels at floors 4 and 6 - which will totes stop the whole building from burning down  |
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32M is at least 10 floors high. Having put the 4th floor fire out, right by an open window, the correct thing to do would have been to inspect the flammable cladding outside of the window.
Racist bastards. Surprised Abbot hasn't had them all sacked.
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32M is at least 10 floors high. Having put the 4th floor fire out, right by an open window, the correct thing to do would have been to inspect the flammable cladding outside of the window.
Racist bastards. Surprised Abbot hasn't had them all sacked. |
Oh I get you, it'll probably come out whether they could have properly tackled the initial (external) fire, once it had taken hold on higher floors there wasn't much they could do (access to the building was also poor). |
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