Polite?

Sapolsky · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 05 Aug 2017 Karma :

A speckle of sunlight glare can hide a damn site more of a bike than it can of a car, but I completely agree, I think all people who drive black/grey cars with no lights on are complete tossers too.

I know the road, I know the quantity of bikes, I know to watch for them. Not everyone on that road does. Hell I've seen some god awful driving on that road from cars and bikers alike.

Why is it so bad to choose a bit more visibility over being smooshed?

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I don't rely on my shiny jacket to help me survive the day. I've never had smidsy. I always asume everyone else on the road is an idiot, I slow down when approaching junctions, cautiously filter the traffic etc.
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I was always under the impression that hi-vis was proven to be no more effective than not wearing hi-vis.

Obviously I don't have any type of citation. And I can't be arsed to check. 😂

People that don't see - don't see. Regardless of what you are wearing - my 2 cents.
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F1.ash · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 29 Nov 2016 Karma :

I started off wearing Hi Vis but gave it up as my experience increased. Like others, I've had drivers look me square in the eyes and then pull out. It was anticipated and I'm certain my clothing would have made no difference.

I like the idea of it but as far as some car drivers go it won't stop a twat being a twat.

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Hawkeye1250FA · World Chat Champion Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Karma :

If the hi-vis connects via Bluetooth to the phone in their hand - and displays a picture of you - then yes it will probably help.

I'm sure there are drivers that would register the presence of hi-vis.... the issue is that they were the ones that would have seen you anyway (imo)

It's the other ones you need to get the attention of - and hi-vis won't help with that 😞
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Freddyfruitba... · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 May 2016 Karma :

Back to the 'Polite vest' theme again - some empirical data on the effect of a cyclist wearing one Smile

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"Over several months, one cyclist wore seven different outfits on his daily 50km commute between Berkshire and outer London. Using an ultrasonic distance sensor he recorded how much space passing motorists gave him, logging data from 5,690 vehicles. The outfits ranged from racing kit to a vest with ‘novice cyclist’ printed on the back. Some of the outfits included high-visibility jackets and vests, while another bore the legend ‘POLICE’, along with the slogans ‘move over’ and ‘camera cyclist’. Finally, for comparison, one similar high-vis jacket bore the word ‘POLITE’.

One letter made a big difference. Walker’s results found that most of the different outfits had virtually no impact on how close the motorists got, bar one. Only the mock-up police jersey encouraged motorists to give the cyclist a wider berth.

‘It’s striking that driver behaviour to POLICE was so different to POLITE given the key word differed by just one letter,’ Walker says. ‘Not only was passing much closer on average with POLITE, but subjectively the rider reported feeling much more at risk, and encountered overt acts of aggression from several drivers."
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Enduro Numpty · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 31 Oct 2012 Karma :

I don't believe that car drivers pull out on bikes deliberately (most of the time) even when they do see us, if that makes any sense, but why don't they pull a smidsy on HGV's or buses? Why have I never pulled out on a bike?
As for the being visible, if they can't see or choose not to see 55w halogen headlights it's beyond me how wearing green clothing will make any difference.

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