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I've got nothing but love for Euro 4, it enabled me to save a couple of grand on a new, non Euro 4 compliant bike. ____________________ Current bike - 2018 H2-SX, 2004 SV1000s, 2016 Aprilia RSV4 RF, 2017 Sherco SERF 300, 2003 Suzuki DRZ400 (stolen - AY53 JUU) |
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Posted: 09:41 - 23 Jun 2017 Post subject: Re: Why all the hate for Euro 4 ? |
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decade wrote: | I mean, almost everything in it is either:
- A good idea (Mandantory ABS, lower emissions) |
Or combined braking on 125s and mopeds, which can be more harmful than helpful if its half arsed - enjoy those locked up rears.
(Most) bikes were already fuel efficient, low CO2 (dat global warming do), and produce negligible particulates, which are the big nasties from diesels.
NOx and that, but the actual number of bikes in service are minimal compared to cars and commercials.
decade wrote: | - Only necessary because motherfunksters show complete contempt for the rules (Anti - Tamper) |
As they'll show complete contempt for any new anti-tamper fitted. Meanwhile, we all pay for it.
You're aware that the next tranche of dictats will be to fit Nanny Chips that actually put the bike into limp-home mode if it detects - or suspects - that you've tried to make it interesting?
More utterly pointless, utterly unnecessary stuff to go wrong.
decade wrote: | They've got exemptions for recent models & exemptions for off-road bikes. |
Wut? The only exemptions I'm aware of are for:
Small volume manufacturers.
Grandfather rights for a limited number of new-old-stock.
Dual purpose bikes can have switchable ABS.
Enlighten me.
decade wrote: | We have pretty great levels of vehicle excise duty - so much so that we just need to STFU & hope no one notices. |
High performance bikes did. Mine return between 65 and 85 mpg, so would very likely have 0 rated under the CO2 emissions system. OK, we're now getting it good again against the new flat £140 rate.
The cheapest Chinese Euro4 bikes are over £2K, and bike sales are sharply down this year. Even with the number of pre-reg bikes in December, it's looking like Euro4 has had an effect, particularly on povs.
It's a regressive system. Why do you hate poor people? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Good way to while away time and join the dots? |
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decade wrote: | You can hardly lay all the rising costs of bikes at the door of Euro 4 regs |
Is there some Eurodiktat preventing me?
I'm comparing Lexmoto's pre-bollocks and post-bollocks prices, because it's the affordable end of the market that's being hit hardest (as was prophesied when the Great Bollocking was announced).
Pre-bollocks, their bikes were in the £950 - £1500 range, OTR. Now their Eurobollocks model are £2000 - £2300 OTR. Same story with Sinnis. WK appear to have just given up, they don't even have any Eurobollocks bikes listed.
Sales of affordable commuter 125s appear to have flatlined based on MCIA new registration figures. There was a big bump of pre-bollocks 125 registrations in December 2016 then a huge drop in 125 registrations since then.
decade wrote: | I just don't see what makes people so extrodinarily angry about this issue. |
I'm sorry you're unable to comprehend it. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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M.C wrote: | decade wrote: | Hmm, I actually didn't think the hate was this strong.
I'm not a 'sock', just new to the forum.
I think ABS is useful, I agree there can be bad implementations but far more often than not it's a decent feature. |
You're new here aren't you I don't like or need ABS, it should be optional, I have more concerns over linked brakes which are dangerous IMO. With all these emission laws the fuelling on cars and bikes get shitter and shitter, at best it's costly to sort out, at worst it's dangerous. Overall it's more expense with no benefit to the end user, and probably not even baby polar bears. |
Linked brakes are shite. Linked brakes without ABS are bloody dangerous. Linked brakes that are front disc and back disk linked on a bike with only a single front disc are bordering on the suicidal and they want to put them on 125's? The class with the least experienced rider, madness
My bike has 'smart' linked brakes, ABS and traction control which is why the plumbing looks like a pile of spaghetti. And it is so so unnecessary. just ABS Triumph, and forget about trying to out technical BMW please.
Even baby polar bears say
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 280 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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