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choogh wrote: | I know which will stop you quicker and with more control...
It's not the Yamaha. |
A Virago? Hmmm. I find that inconclusive. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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arry wrote: | techathy wrote: |
I own a BMW beached whale & I own a triumph featherweight. .. I know which one can stop you faster under more control. It's the one without ABS, linked brakes & various other nanny aids... yes that's the half the weight Triumph! |
fixed for you innit.
Appreciate it's not entirely that but the two aren't similar bikes with and without abs, they're too different to use as a marker surely. |
First off the Daytona is no where near half the BMW's weight more like 3/4 the weight. My Zero is almost half the weight of the BMW and thus should have the shortest stopping distance, however it is noticably longer than the other bikes.
The BMW feels like it has the edge when you first start getting into the brakes hard - better modulation, more feel & less rear wheel lift. Then the rear wheel starts to get a tiny bit of chatter, WHY?.. linked brakes that's why, and it all goes to pot. The first thing you notice is that all feel has just gone from the front brake, then due to the pulsing of the brake lever you realise that you've lost a lot of your modulation control. The bike eases off the braking a bit, you're left with two options -
1. keep in the brakes and let the bike sort it out
2. ease off the brakes, which will generally end up being more than you wanted to due to the lack of feel/modulation fidelity, increasing your stopping distances further
With the Triumph the brakes just aren't quite as nice, they're just a little down on feel and modulation fidelity. But when the front wheel starts to squirm a little or the rear loses contact with the ground there's nothing getting in the way of your control. You have the dexterity to ease off the leaver pressure a tiny bit to bring it back from just over the edge. ____________________ Bikes: '17 Zero FX ZF6.5, '16 BMW R1200 RS, '12 Triumph Daytona 675 |
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Sure, there are a lot of things that the eurocrats have dreamed up with the help of some big name multi nationals. Mention safety then in the next breadth say you have a remedy for the issue. Bosch seem to be doing particularly well with their ABS and TC systems in one form or another, in millions of bikes already.
In 40 years of riding I can't remember ever falling off (on the road) because ABS hadn't been invented. I've not long since got rid of a T120 Triumph fitted with ABS. The suspension was pathetic which meant hard braking on anything other than a perfectly smooth surface had the wheel skipping/locking and subsequent activation of ABS. The ABS did what it's supposed to do but the point is the suspension couldn't cope and the result being the tyre wasn't in contact with the road when it should have been and braking distance was, in my view excessive. I would much rather see whoever makes the "rules" focusing on enforcing basic functionality rather than have us all relying on supposed electronic fixes.
I read many road tests on the Triumph before I bought it and not once was this mentioned.
On balance I am for ABS but under no circumstances do I think it should be compulsory. I would question it's use in learner and small capacity bikes. Is it proven that it makes for safer riding?
Traction control is also becoming common on many bikes. Like ABS, in 40 years riding I can't think of an instance where I fell off because TC was yet to be invented. (I have done my fair share of falling off I might add)
The Bonneville had TC and it was about as relevant as the ABS. This isn't motogp technology, it's cheap shit being sold to us as something relevant when it clearly isn't. All it does is add value for the manufacturers, decrease reliability, and add costs for the end user.
The Bonneville (allegedly) had around 80BHP - fairly weedy by any standards these days. My old faithful FJR has nearly double that and in 6 years of ownership riding in all conditions was perfectly safe without TC. Prior to the Bonneville was a Fireblade - 175BHP and no TC. Still here to tell the tale!
As for the emissions thing - we've all got to live on planet earth and I'd like to leave something of it for our descendants. If our bikes can be made slightly more efficient and slightly less polluting then I don't have a problem with it.That said, for years diesels have been hailed as the saviours of the planet. How the fuck could this be? Anyone with eyes or lungs that goes anywhere near a road has always known they are manky, obnoxious, hideous creations. Yet 2 strokes have been the devils spawn for decades.
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Enduro Numpty wrote: | Bosch seem to be doing particularly well with their ABS and TC systems in one form or another |
This whole tranche of Eurobollocks was dreamt up by a single unelected, unaccountable 'rapporteur' who, you'll be amazed to hear, was associated with BMW and ended up recommending all the things that BMW were already fitting to their bikes.
Then MEP (and Ginger Witch) Kerstin Westphal went to the Bosch factory on a 'fact finding trip', during which she found out the fact that they were developing ABS systems for 125s and mopeds and it would be just awesome for profit safety if they were mandated instead of CBS.
Shortly afterwards, Westphal tried to pencil in mandatory ABS for 125s and mopeds as the rubber-stamp was falling on the diktat. Amazingly, this proved too much even for Brussels, and they knocked it back.
Nice try though. And that's how EU laws are written. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Icon wrote: | taking away the skill element |
Happy to take the skill element away from road riders though? I learned to ride without it, I'm happy to be without it. If I fuck up, that's my problem. Just give me good brakes with good feel in the first place. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Icon wrote: | Take away the macho man attitude. |
Yes mum, sorry mum.
And who the hell might you be? Ah, right, you are Mr. Nanny State, PC, health and safety, fun-killing, I-know-what's-good-for-you....
I have two words for you: Piss off. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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