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See, cried.
Sorry you ride your bike illegally and got caught baby, perhaps chalk that shit up and deal with it.
Unless you have hard evidence it wasn't there before, you'll get absolutely fuck all. Assuming you have nothing, therefore... Don't even bother. police got you both charge wise and they've trolled your bike. Shame bro. |
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Invoice the police and the pound, then move on to letters before action, and then a small claim. Don't get involved in a conversation about it, just do it. You don't ask, you don't get. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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I'd be pissed off if it was me.
Yes he was illegal but was prosecuted, warned or whatever happened. The punishment did not include 'Your bike shall be damaged to the tune of 1 broken fairing and scratches'.
If they had crushed his bike it would have been a court order to do it, not the whim or carelessness of a transporter crew.
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you cant possibly have legit insurance for a bike that you don't have a licence to ride!
I have no idea who motohog are or what they do but from your post it seems they have admitted it was their fault, which is very reasonable of them considering you would have had an almost impossible task of proving the damage was them otherwise. just go through their business insurance and get your bike written off
youre lucky your bike wasn't crushed, id vote for that rule for unlicenced/uninsured drivers or riders if there was the option. ____________________ Current : '08 Yamaha FZ1s
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Keir wrote: | you cant possibly have legit insurance for a bike that you don't have a licence to ride! |
Think it's a 125cc on L plates so all above board, chap took it on the motorway which was the issue, riding not in accordance with licence, happened to me once, except, while being on a 125cc I did have a full A cat licence.
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I have no idea who motohog are or what they do but from your post it seems they have admitted it was their fault, which is very reasonable of them considering you would have had an almost impossible task of proving the damage was them otherwise. just go through their business insurance and get your bike written off
youre lucky your bike wasn't crushed, id vote for that rule for unlicenced/uninsured drivers or riders if there was the option. |
Motohog are a chain of car breakers (3 sites in Yorkshire) why they're involved in moving bikes to and from police seizing I do not know.
As you say, if they've admitted damage to the bike then it's time to ask what they're prepared to do about it and go from there, they may be happy to cover the damage, they might argue the toss or it might be somewhere in between. ____________________ Looking to pass your CBT / Bike tests in Bury Lancashire? try www.focusridertraining.co.uk Would recommend.
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Rogerborg wrote: | Invoice the police and the pound, then move on to letters before action, and then a small claim. Don't get involved in a conversation about it, just do it. You don't ask, you don't get. |
Will do man, thanks for the advice.
What i like about Roger is that he always gets straight to the point. No fucking around
Polarbear wrote: | I'd be pissed off if it was me.
Yes he was illegal but was prosecuted, warned or whatever happened. The punishment did not include 'Your bike shall be damaged to the tune of 1 broken fairing and scratches'.
If they had crushed his bike it would have been a court order to do it, not the whim or carelessness of a transporter crew.
Do as Roger said, letters, small claims, escalate it to the high courts and we might see the police on the wrong side of 'Can't pay, we'll take it away'. |
Good stuff thanks mate. What all the morons on here who say 'you broke the law, get over it' don't seem to understand is that if we all had that thought process. Then the pricks who damaged it will probably go on to carelessly do the same to many bikes down the line.
The police said to contact the impound yard, i contacted the impound yard and they said that the damage was not done by them and would have been done by Motohog because they used a car transporter. Going from this do i attempt to invoice the police, the impound or Motohog? Or do i send the invoice and letters to all 3?
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I have no idea who motohog are or what they do but from your post it seems they have admitted it was their fault, which is very reasonable of them considering you would have had an almost impossible task of proving the damage was them otherwise. just go through their business insurance and get your bike written off Thumbs Up
youre lucky your bike wasn't crushed, id vote for that rule for unlicenced/uninsured drivers or riders if there was the option. |
I'm lucky that my bike wasn't crushed? well if you look at the big picture i ain't so lucky. The cost of impound fees, removal and including repairs to the bike (if i pay for them) is much more than if they would have crushed it. When i say they fucked the bike up i don't think you realize the extent. Its not just paint work some of the panels are gonna need replacing.
Motohog is a auction company that auction off impounded vehicles. The impound yard said that Motohog done the damage by transporting the motorcycle on a car transporter. |
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Untitled1995 wrote: | Yeah dickhead I'm aware of that. But having a license or not does not give them the right to fuck my bike up |
Pots and kettle's kid! You did't have the 'right' t be riding on a motorway; ad YOU did so knowig you rde there at risk of being stpped, charged ad hving bike impounded. It was no 'acident' you were there, or that you gave them cause to take your bike off you!
If they were a ittle 'careless' in lookig after your pride and joy, then they will undoubtedly tell you it was inadvertant; THEY didn't set out to deliberately damage your bike... you o want bike skuffed up by some-one you dont know... DONT ride it on the effing motorway and gve them cause to take it off you! Look after your own shit kid!
Untitled1995 wrote: | The police officer taken pictures of the motorcycle when he seized the bike. So yes images do exist that proves the damage was caused in the duration of the storage period. |
Oh dear, what a pitty; those photo's seem to have got lost.. some-one presed the wrong button when the camera asked if they would like to 'format memory card'.... you know, rather like your L-Plates.....
You are hardly standing on high moral ground here, are you?
Keir wrote: | you cant possibly have legit insurance for a bike that you don't have a licence to ride! |
Actually a quirk of the business; third party insurance is just that; and if he has a certthat covers the bike, then the BIKE has cover, and as does any-one who rides it, whether i accordance with thier licence etitlement or other element of the RTA.
Borg could probably site the precedents; BUT, technically you CANNOT under common law, enter into a 'contract' to commit an illegal act. Its a fundemental key-stone of law; so you cant hire a hit-man to commit a murder, and have the hit man offer the defence "I was just doing what I was paid to, be breaking the law if I hadn't".. contractee, is under duty of care to act within the law regardless of any requrements of 'contract'.
On that basis, and I believe that it has been put before the courts in a couple of test cases; an isurance company could argue that they are't 'liable' for any damages or losses, IF the vehicle is being operated outside the limitations of 'law' or 'contract'... so; if a bike was excding the speed limit and crashed into a school-bus of kittens, Ins co could argue, that the rider was breakig the law, so no cover, no liability. Or if they fell off, and bike knocked down some NIMBY's cottage wall; the rider wasn't riding with Due-Care, so illegally, so not covered, as breaking the law... think about that one...
I believe that judge made ruling on that one, many many years ago, that such an argument made a nonsense of ANY mandatory 3rd party insurance, as if any vehicle that crashed and damaged any-one else's property was accepted to be the result of the 'illegal' act, of not being in full control of that vehicle, so the contract of insurance was invalid, almost no-one could actually claim against a 3rd Party policy for loss! They would have t pursue the driver, personally, for the loses .. the exact circumstance mandatory 3rd Party insurance was contrived to avoid!
So motor-insurance is actually subject to a couple of quirks, contrary to common and contract law, that are based on the principle that the whole POINT of 3rd party insurance is to indemnify the public at large against loss caused by act or omission by a vehicle operator, whether acting in or outside the law.
Consequently; a third party 'claim' takes precedence, and if a policy has been issued, is in force, wherever 'crimes' or breaches of contract might be used to suggest the insurance isn't 'valid' are redundant; and a third party claim can be made against that policy whether the vehicle is being ridden by the policy holder, or by some-one who has stolen it; whether they are riding in accordance with their licence entitlement or provisions, or not, or in accordance with the C&U regs or the RTA or any other laws, or not... 3rd party liability, has bee provided; is co have agreed to indemnify any and all 3rd party loses caused by that driver or vehicle, regardless; end of story.
THEN, comes the question of whether they may have any recourse under contract law, to pursue the policy holder, or any-one else for breach of contract or for 'negligence', having caused the Ins Co 'unreasonable' losses...
So, as long as there is a 3rd Party insurance certificate issued, that either covers the vehicle operator or the specific vehicle; then the vehicle IS insured, end of..
Once issued an insurance cert CANNOT be revoked... as long as its in circulation it is in force and they are liable.... it oly ceases to be in force whe the date expires or it is retured to the Is-Co and they shred it; which opens a can of worms as far as the MID ad the vogue ins co's have for ssig 'e-certs' that are still in something of a grey area as far as actual law goes; but still.
Point is.. if there's a cert, the there's 3rd party cover; they at seize a bike for being uninsured, if there's a policy o it, and it IS the vehicle that is registered and referenced on the cert... though thy do have many other provisions of law under which they can seize it, and I believe that general police powers do provide for them to seize any artifact instrumental in the perpetration of a crime... and a motorcycle, being ridden on the motorway by some-one with no licence would fall under that! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 304 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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