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PostPosted: 10:01 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Scottish Wikipedia Reply with quote

https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Enfield_Bullet

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PostPosted: 10:07 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did walloper write that?
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah deed a wee bit onside reedin that.

It's not a language, it's a debased gutter dialect. Sick
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Mother-Of-God.jpg

Is this taught at school?
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Ah deed a wee bit onside reedin that.

It's not a language, it's a debased gutter dialect. Sick


I believe that Scot's is evolved from a dialect of middle English.

Didn't read like Irvine Welsh though. ☹
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It reads like no Scots accent/dialect I've ever seen. It reads like Groundskeeper Willy from the Simpsons speaks, so a bad American approximation of a Scots accent.

An ah'd ken weel fit ahm speirin' aboot, ahm fae tcheuchter country.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

But isn't 'Scots' when in written form all just an approximation of the accent anyway? So there can be no 'correct' form, as the Scots accent, like English, varies from place to place, and isn't derived from a single original, but is merely a bastardised form of English - possibly with influences from Gaelic. So really it should be termed 'Scots English', much as we might say 'American', or 'Americanised' English for the Yanks.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
But isn't 'Scots' when in written form all just an approximation of the accent anyway?


That is not my understanding of it. I thought it was a distinct dialect that had evolved from an earlier form of the English that we speak.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
But isn't 'Scots' when in written form all just an approximation of the accent anyway?


I thought it was a distinct dialect that had evolved from an earlier form of the English that we speak.


I fail to see where yours and my statements disagree Confused
A dialect is merely a way of speaking, an accent, perhaps where some words have been altered to reflect it. It does not normally transfer into writing, otherwise, half this forum would have difficulty in understanding the posts of the other half.

Answer me this: If you are Scottish, and you write a letter to a Scottish friend or relation, or even a business letter to a Scottish company for e.g., do you write it as you would speak it?

The reason I ask this, is that on the Fazer forum, there is a Scottish chap who often drops into writing as he would speak. He is the only one on that forum, apart from the odd slip, or if someone wants to emphasise some peculiarly Scottish trait, who does this (he is rabidly pro-Scottish independence). I can't help but think that on an English language forum, it's merely poor form, old chap.

I think we should have a "dialects week" on BCF, where everyone has to spell as if they were speaking in their actual accent - could be, er, interesting Laughing (obviously, Teflon Mike is banned for that week).
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the accent when its a girl from the Western Isles Wub

Any other Scottish accent sounds like someone trying to bring up phlegm.

Obviously our ancestors were sadly lacking when they engaged in a little social cleansing after Culloden.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
I think we should have a "dialects week" on BCF, where everyone has to spell as if they were speaking in their actual accent - could be, er, interesting Laughing

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PostPosted: 15:10 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


Any other Scottish accent sounds like someone trying to bring up phlegm.


Think of it as a lubricant for all those harsh, Germanic 'ch' sounds.

Actually, the Germans of course have their own regional variations - some pronounce 'ch' more as a softer 'sh'.

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Obviously our ancestors were sadly lacking when they engaged in a little social cleansing after Culloden.


Pass the popcorn

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Aintcha got no sense ov adventcha, geeza? Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scots is a written dialect, has been for a long time.

Here's a Burns manuscript, in Scots, from the late 18th century.
https://www.electricscotland.com/familytree/frank/images/RBwean1008.jpg
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Polarbear wrote:


Obviously our ancestors were sadly lacking when they engaged in a little social cleansing after Culloden.


Pass the popcorn



Not even a nibble Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It occurred to me that folk like Burns had been writing that way a long time ago. But where did he get it from? Has it ever been the customary way to write in Scotland? are you all writing like this up there?! Is it/has it ever been taught in schools as a correct way to write? How does someone know when it is done incorrectly?

It seems that a proper dictionary wasn't compiled until 1976:

https://www.scotsdictionaries.org.uk/Publications/conciseScotsDictionary.html

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It sometimes seems to be referred to as a 'language', but surely it can't be in it's own right, as it is mostly clearly derived from English words or usage?



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chickenstrip wrote:
Pass the popcorn


Not even a nibble Crying or Very sad


Give them a chance, they have to translate what we're saying Shifty
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a non Scot doing an impression of a Glasweigan. Not unlike Simon Pegg in the new star trek movies.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
...'Scots' .... is merely a bastardised form of English


People from Scotland will be very interested to hear you telling them they're bastardised English people really....... (that is what you're saying, isn't it?? Laughing )
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
...'Scots' .... is merely a bastardised form of English


People from Scotland will be very interested to hear you telling them they're bastardised English people really....... (that is what you're saying, isn't it?? Laughing )
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 30 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Sounds like a non Scot doing an impression of a Glasweigan. Not unlike Simon Pegg in the new star trek movies.

He's deid tae me.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 01 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Did walloper write that?

Walloper writes more accurate Scozzese than that.

I liked the side link called "Gaun on the nou" Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 05 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whiskeypedia wrote:
The Royal Enfield Bullet is a British


Burns.
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