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But... we're still in the EU. Morally, ethically; spiritually, physically; positively, absolutely; undeniably and reliably, in.
We haven't taken a single substantive step towards Brexit.
Surely while we're enjoying all the benefits that come from being a fully paid up member of the European Union, we should be enjoying bumper growth and prosperity?
Are you saying that's not the case? 
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Jesus H Christ, talk about cherry picking to suit your agenda.
How about unemployment? We have the 5th lowest, Italy are storming that at 4th highest.
Our unemployment rate is half that of the EU as a whole and let's not forget that we've also vastly lowered the unemployment rate of many EU countries on their behalf.
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That's nice, now bring on the hardest Brexit possible.
I agree that the EU will collapse but other countries should be able to get out before that happens.
Maybe they could join The British Empire, that would really wind up Juncker and all the other EU bureaucrats.  |
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| Posted: 18:45 - 22 Feb 2018 Post subject: |
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| bhinso wrote: | The thing is we will get a shit Brexit deal. End of.
The reason is quite simply that if we got a reasonable deal, then other EU countries would think "hmm well if the UK got that, so can we", countries will leave and the EU will collapse.
I'm assuming they don't want that to happen. |
If it's that shit, we call no deal. Well, we would if Theresa had a set of balls.
People are way too hung up on a free trade market which benefits those importing to us way more than we benefit from exporting to it. We could trouser the import duty and use it to subsidise our exports and still have money left over to buy more luxury penthouse flats for the "victims" of Grenfell.
It would also place home made production ahead of imports for once and give UK manufacturing a leg up against EU subsidised cheap imports.
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Let's just take a moment to talk about that bar chart.
So. It's is reporting a percentage change in a percentage change. (% change in % growth of GDP).
That is a dirty statistical trick used to make an infitesimal difference between numbersets look like a big one. Even then they've had to stretch the axis (presumably why it's horizontal rather than vertical) to make the differences look even larger and add in something that isn't even a country to make it look like the bottom item is lower down.
They have also picked one specific quarter to compare.
I move it be stricken from the record.
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| stinkwheel wrote: |
Let's just take a moment to talk about that bar chart.
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So. It's is reporting a percentage change in a percentage change. (% change in % growth of GDP).
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No, it's just % growth.
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They have also picked one specific quarter to compare.
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No, it's annual growth.
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I move it be stricken from the record. |
And after the corrections? |
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Here I have created a new bus for you:
https://i.imgur.com/MJtxUb2.jpg
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The sub-heading is confused. "Q4 on Q4" is a comparison of one year's final quarter (we have to assume it's 2017) with the previous year's final quarter. Appending "annual" to it adds nothing. I see what Stinkwheel means about % change in % growth too. Simply "Q4 on Q4 GDP" would make more sense, assuming it's trying to show that UK GDP was 1.4% down in 4Q 2017 compared to Q4 2016. Looks like a clueless BBC reporter using European Commission publications to knock up a graph.  |
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| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | assuming it's trying to show that UK GDP was 1.4% down in 4Q 2017 compared to Q4 2016. Looks like a clueless BBC reporter using European Commission publications to knock up a graph. |
Yes, the scary red line might be inferred by the easily startled to mean "down", but it's not. It's 1.5% up, Q4 2017 vs Q4 2016. See below.
| cdlxxvi wrote: | | stinkwheel wrote: | They have also picked one specific quarter to compare. |
No, it's annual growth. |
I'm afraid (not in the sense that you're terrified) that it's not. It's comparing Q4 2017 to Q4 2016, which is not the same as annual growth over the whole year.
Don't take my word for it though, read the real fake news here from the source:
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/8662991/2-14022018-BP-EN.pdf/ccf970c0-bb55-4a22-b8ea-d50d5a92586d
| cdlxxvi wrote: | | stinkwheel wrote: | I move it be stricken from the record. |
And after the corrections? |
I'm delighted to have your ignorance of economics on record.
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| Posted: 11:27 - 23 Feb 2018 Post subject: |
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No, it's just % growth. |
No it's percentage change in GDP growth (which is also expressed as a percentage), says so in black and white right at the top. Percentage change and actual percentage are not the same thing.
If anyone ever shows tyou a chart or graph showing percentage change, they are trying to make a small difference look like a bigger one.
No reason to do it like that. They could have just shown percentage GDP growth.
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No, it's annual growth. |
No, it's year on year percentage change for the fourth quarter. Again, right there at the top of the chart.
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And after the corrections? |
Yes. Highly selective, bad stats.
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| Posted: 17:37 - 23 Feb 2018 Post subject: |
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So the difference between £485,897 (Q4 2016) and 492,674 (Q4 2017) is 1.4%? (figures from your link)
Interesting because while I'm no mathematical genius, I make it 1.01%.
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