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PostPosted: 15:34 - 13 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem BMW 'Created' when they miss-engineered the ABS Modules for their early R1200GSes was totally ig-fackin-nored by the Bavarian Bastarts.

SOme people dieded due to issue with them too.

But there was no problem with the design of the modules but just for LoLs they completely re-invented the module for the later bikes and Hew Presto no more issues with the ABS. Thinking
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 15 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

My good friend, the 30 year time served BMW specialist, is constantly reminding me not to go anywhere near any boxer newer than an 1150, whenever I point out the latest egay 'bargain'.

Even then, he recommends the 1100 as being the last of the good BMs.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 15 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snap. Van recovery bloke this week reckoned half the bikes he picks up are BMWs. He's got an R11100GS and said he wouldn't touch anything newer.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 15 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the opinion on the f800st? Also a death machine or OK?

Say 2007/2008 (I understand 2006 had loads of issues)
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 15 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine. The early ones came with death-bearings but they'll all be sorted by now one way or another. The 800s have missed most of the funtime issues. I really can't fault my GS, apart from that I'd prefer the belt drive from the ST.
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PostPosted: 06:43 - 16 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps some of the issues are to with the weight of the bike / rider / combined weight of both Smile
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 16 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mas101 wrote:
What's the opinion on the f800st? Also a death machine or OK?

Say 2007/2008 (I understand 2006 had loads of issues)


I've read of issues with the ABS on some bikes. Basically it kicks in for no reason and you have no brakes at all for a second or so.

I don't think it's widespread though but worth a look if you're thinking of one.

https://f800riders.org/forum/showthread.php/18225-F800-ABS-FAILURE-Data-Collation
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 16 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do get the ABS pulsing unexpectedly (at first) on my GS when hitting specific bumps with a crappy road surface, but never had it release entirely, or trigger to the extent that it concerns me.

Given the number of posters who say that their cars do the same thing in the same location, I'd wonder whether they're talking about ABS failing or ABS working.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 16 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

TbirdX wrote:
mas101 wrote:
What's the opinion on the f800st? Also a death machine or OK?

Say 2007/2008 (I understand 2006 had loads of issues)


I've read of issues with the ABS on some bikes. Basically it kicks in for no reason and you have no brakes at all for a second or so.

I don't think it's widespread though but worth a look if you're thinking of one.

https://f800riders.org/forum/showthread.php/18225-F800-ABS-FAILURE-Data-Collation

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PostPosted: 18:15 - 16 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the t shit.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 16 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
My good friend, the 30 year time served BMW specialist, is constantly reminding me not to go anywhere near any boxer newer than an 1150, whenever I point out the latest egay 'bargain'.

Even then, he recommends the 1100 as being the last of the good BMs.


Mine's on 62k now and still going strong despite having a tough life but the problem is that come next year just about any bike old enough to have a 1100 boxer engine is going to attract congestion charge in London.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 16 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Shaft wrote:
My good friend, the 30 year time served BMW specialist, is constantly reminding me not to go anywhere near any boxer newer than an 1150, whenever I point out the latest egay 'bargain'.

Even then, he recommends the 1100 as being the last of the good BMs.


Mine's on 62k now and still going strong despite having a tough life but the problem is that come next year just about any bike old enough to have a 1100 boxer engine is going to attract congestion charge in London.


I guess it's like everything, there will be good ones and bad ones - the issue seems to be that the chances of getting a bad one are disproportionately high and the consequences are a number of horrific bills and a general mistrust of the bike.

That might be OK on some shonky piece of Jap crap, but with a bike that has BMW's alleged reputation and the monetry value to go with it, it's not acceptable.

Not that my mate cares, he's making a bloody fortune out of them!
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 18 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fairly detailed article on the issue by, of course, Bennetts.

And, of course, BMW has known about it for years.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 18 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I messaged a man who works at Motorrad and he assured me, 'He has checked loads in Glasgow area and None have had any failure. None needed any retro work/parts.'

The explanation looks like its those Adventure Folks who take their bikes off road who stress the forks more.
Anyone who uses their bike for the Green Wellie or Tesco probably doesn't put as much load on the forks.

The Bike Social blurb is detailed but possibly not very clear.

To my untrained ear it seems that the forks are separating due to excessive rebound. The only thing keeping the oil in the top of the fork is that press-fitted bung.
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 18 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
I messaged a man who works at Motorrad and he assured me, 'He has checked loads in Glasgow area and None have had any failure. None needed any retro work/parts.'



Odd that he should claim that when BMW themselves say that they will do remedial work regardless.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 18 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
I messaged a man who works at Motorrad

Would that be the man who popped a fork seal on my GS between me putting down a deposit on it and picking it up?
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 19 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woteva.

I can only say what he told me when I asked.
I do not believe he was telling me fibs. Smile

I don't know if he got my PM to pop your seal Roger.. Smile
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PostPosted: 06:46 - 20 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

To my untrained ear it seems that the forks are separating due to excessive rebound. The only thing keeping the oil in the top of the fork is that press-fitted bung.
Thinking


Or if the rider is 20+ stone and happens to 'glide' over a speed hump ..... given the stature of more than a few owners ..... a pressed fitted bung seems less than ideal. I'd wager the compression / pressure build up is equal or thereabouts to off road loading by a skinny pro.

Or is it because not machining a thread / fitting a threaded insert is .2 euros cheaper per pair of forks and that presented a healthy cost saving over the proposed production life.

Bet they are regretting that decision.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 20 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

UncleBFester wrote:
MCN wrote:

To my untrained ear it seems that the forks are separating due to excessive rebound. The only thing keeping the oil in the top of the fork is that press-fitted bung.
Thinking


Or if the rider is 20+ stone and happens to 'glide' over a speed hump ..... given the stature of more than a few owners ..... a pressed fitted bung seems less than ideal. I'd wager the compression / pressure build up is equal or thereabouts to off road loading by a skinny pro.

Or is it because not machining a thread / fitting a threaded insert is .2 euros cheaper per pair of forks and that presented a healthy cost saving over the proposed production life.

Bet they are regretting that decision.


They will just drain the oil out at the next service. Can't leak then. Cheaper and most Charlie & Ewan riders wouldn't notice it Whistle
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 20 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bet they are regretting that decision.

You'd think, but despite recall after recall after recall after recall, BMWs are still selling like gangbusters. Laughing all the way to the Bundesbank.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 20 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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Bet they are regretting that decision.

You'd think, but despite recall after recall after recall after recall, BMWs are still selling like gangbusters. Laughing all the way to the Bundesbank.


The Golden Lining when buying a New or Dealer Approved BMW is to fork out a small fortune for BMW Warranty. (Maintenance Insurance).
It is great value for money as unlike other Insurance schemes, with a BMW you will get the full use out of it. Smile
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Rogerborg wrote:
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Bet they are regretting that decision.

You'd think, but despite recall after recall after recall after recall, BMWs are still selling like gangbusters. Laughing all the way to the Bundesbank.


They are. Probably because 99.9% are garage queens and they don't mind them going in for a recall because they get a free valet and service, plus extended warranty.

That's what happened at Triumph when mine went back for the cylinder head recall. Dance!
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 21 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
UncleBFester wrote:
Bet they are regretting that decision.

You'd think, but despite recall after recall after recall after recall, BMWs are still selling like gangbusters. Laughing all the way to the Bundesbank.


It just reinforces the opinion I've held about BMW products (cars* and bikes) for the last 30 odd years - if you've just paid well over the odds for a no better then average product, you aren't likely to go on record as saying you've bought a pup.

And therein lies the secret to BMW's rise from bad selling, poorly equipped, averagely built and overpriced vehicles, to well marketed, slightly better equipped, but still averagely built and overpriced vehicles.

*There have been plenty of well buried car related cock ups, including premature engine failures and catastrophic electrical maladies, not to mention body problems and all manor of ongoing and expensive running costs.

Oddly, some of these issues have become very well known, but still they have a reputation as being paragons of virtue - I refer you to my opening paragraph..............
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 21 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

And as if on cue: BMW report record high sales for 2017. Brick Wall
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 21 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
It just reinforces the opinion I've held about BMW products (cars* and bikes) for the last 30 odd years - if you've just paid well over the odds for a no better then average product, you aren't likely to go on record as saying you've bought a pup.


Not just BMW. It's a very Germanic thing which many of the VAG vehicles have had as well.
Although surprisingly their non-German brands (Seat and Skoda) don't seem to have such an issue...
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