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PostPosted: 09:35 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you define 'social status'? IMHO the problem is that it's a societal construct and therefore the indicators of success are defined by other people.

For instance, many people want to have a new car, with a 17 plate for example, but are prepared to drive a 1.4 corsa to achieve that. I'd rather have a much older BMW.

For many, a 4 bedroom suburban house is their definition of having 'made it'. People were horrified when my partner and I bailed out to live in a field.

Happiness is being comfortably able to afford the basics in life and having a little left over to spend enjoying yourself. How you spend that should be your choice and no one elses. Otherwise I'd have to sell the contents of my garage and lease a white 116i.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On subject, social status means very little to me. However, I do have the love of nice things and where I can afford to have them I will. This is often perceived by others as you thinking social status is important.

Problems can arise with how others perceive you who don't have what you have and inverted snobbery. Really, people just need to chill out and take people at face value and not worry about all that other stuff.


The status of things is not what im intetested in its status as in how much s person "counts" how much theyre held in regard by others and demographically definable groups. It interests me because ive come to believe an increasingly large proportion of society is below some line where their value as human beings is marginalised compared to others. This is important when it comes to government and political party policy design (read vote buying tactics). I nearly didn't vote in the last two elections as i felt those in my demographic just dont figure even in the lefts thinking, simply because of work/income type, essentially low status. In fact I would say your status is entirely related to how much effort those with political power will give to considering how to get your vote.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:
How do you define 'social status'? IMHO the problem is that it's a societal construct and therefore the indicators of success are defined by other people.

For instance, many people want to have a new car, with a 17 plate for example, but are prepared to drive a 1.4 corsa to achieve that. I'd rather have a much older BMW.

For many, a 4 bedroom suburban house is their definition of having 'made it'. People were horrified when my partner and I bailed out to live in a field.

Happiness is being comfortably able to afford the basics in life and having a little left over to spend enjoying yourself. How you spend that should be your choice and no one elses. Otherwise I'd have to sell the contents of my garage and lease a white 116i.


I see what you are getting at, but what if a 17 plate 1.4 corsa makes that person happy? It's impossible to define what happiness is because it's subjective to the individual.

Happiness to me would be to have Dr Dre (hip hop artist and headphone entrepreneur) level wealth which would enable me to do basically whatever I wanted, when I wanted. If happiness to someone else is to mug off the rat race and live a comfortable and frugal life then if anything I am jealous you have a mindset like that that is happy with that. But it doesn't mean one should look up or down at the other - it's just stuff.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodsi wrote:
B5234FT wrote:
How do you define 'social status'? IMHO the problem is that it's a societal construct and therefore the indicators of success are defined by other people.

For instance, many people want to have a new car, with a 17 plate for example, but are prepared to drive a 1.4 corsa to achieve that. I'd rather have a much older BMW.

For many, a 4 bedroom suburban house is their definition of having 'made it'. People were horrified when my partner and I bailed out to live in a field.

Happiness is being comfortably able to afford the basics in life and having a little left over to spend enjoying yourself. How you spend that should be your choice and no one elses. Otherwise I'd have to sell the contents of my garage and lease a white 116i.


I see what you are getting at, but what if a 17 plate 1.4 corsa makes that person happy? It's impossible to define what happiness is because it's subjective to the individual.

Happiness to me would be to have Dr Dre (hip hop artist and headphone entrepreneur) level wealth which would enable me to do basically whatever I wanted, when I wanted. If happiness to someone else is to mug off the rat race and live a comfortable and frugal life then if anything I am jealous you have a mindset like that that is happy with that. But it doesn't mean one should look up or down at the other - it's just stuff.


Oh I agree entirely! If a 1.4 corsa is that persons hearts desire then that's great. If however they want a newer reg plate than next door and only have X a month, then sacraficing the quality of the car in order to purchase a newer one, in order to have a new reg plate has to be the ultimate example of doing things for social standing rather than personal satisfaction.

I also find it interesting that people's idea of happiness is money, and stuff.

If you had Dre levels of wealth and didnt need to work ever again, what would you do with it? That's the answer to happiness and I bet you dont actually need that level of wealth to achieve most of it.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
linuxyeti wrote:


... No, I think it's obvious to all, it's not how far I or anybody else slips below some arbitrary imaginary line, but, it's clearly important to you, perhaps you already feel you have slipped below said line, and are now seeking reassurance that there are indeed other pond life swimming around with you..

Smacks of a certain degree of insecurity coupled with an unhealthy dose of narcissism.

Other than that, has to be one of the most pointless subjects on bcf, and, that's going some.


Not so pointless you couldn't find the time to respond.


That's because I initially took it as a joke thread, but, it appears you're actually taking this seriously, who'd have thought it !! Anyhow, slow day at work, so, yeah why not reply, but, yeah I stand by my assertion that this is really a pointless subject.. Funny, how you haven't addressed what else I said, and fixated on the pointless comment, which, kind of bears out what else i posted really Thumbs Up Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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.. Funny, how you haven't addressed what else I said, and fixated on the pointless comment, which, kind of bears out what else i posted really Thumbs Up Laughing


You want to indulge in some cod psychoanalysis of me go ahead but im not joining in. If you're really interested then make your own thread on the subject. If you think its a joke subject you have a dull sense of humour indeed.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You I want to indulge in some cod psychoanalysis of everyone
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the majority of people are more concerned about just having a happy life with a secure job, a few toys and hobbies and maybe the odd holiday/break from the daily grind to recharge the batteries. None of that shows concern over social status. I think being worried about how others perceive you is a bit sad really.
With possessions, if I wanted a Ferrari for example, and was in the position of being able to afford one, I'd buy it for me to enjoy, not to impress others. I'd buy it because it's a good sports car, fun to drive (on track), and I find its looks pleasing to my eye. I'd buy it because I'm curious to see what all the hype is about. I wouldn't buy it because no one else in my street could afford one, that's for sure.

For me, I know what I like and want, and don't care what others think of my choices and decisions. If they feel they are better than me, then I'm happy for them. As long as I can get on unmolested with my own choices and life, I don't mind that.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
I wouldn't buy it because no one else in my street could afford one, that's for sure.

For me, I know what I like and want, and don't care what others think of my choices and decisions. If they feel they are better than me, then I'm happy for them. As long as I can get on unmolested with my own choices and life, I don't mind that.


Tend to be the same. Incidentally, that's a trend in upper class folk Laughing Its the middle classes that shout the loudest about how much bloody money they've got.

Social class isn't tied to money anyway, really. Give a poor person £20m - they still wouldn't ever get to talking with plums in their mouth.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Social class isn't tied to money anyway, really. Give a poor person £20m - they still wouldn't ever get to talking with plums in their mouth.


Shut up arry, my fourth blob is a deeper gold than yours Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
I nearly didn't vote in the last two elections as i felt those in my demographic just dont figure even in the lefts thinking, simply because of work/income type, essentially low status.

Have you tried not being in your work/income demographic?

I mean, if people who matter think you don't matter, perhaps they have a point.

I'm not even suggesting that you try to increase your income, but if you were to develop a chronic bad back, you'd be square in the sights of both Labour and the Racialists for their uncosted promises of jam tomorrow.

Ribenapigeon wrote:
In fact I would say your status is entirely related to how much effort those with political power will give to considering how to get your vote.

That's an unusual definition of status, but one with which I happen to agree.

Chuck in the attempt to contribute anything, become a pure consumer, and join the shrieking mobs of gibsmedats being pandered to by Comrade Corbyn and Wee Nickie.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You want to indulge in some cod psychoanalysis of me go ahead but im not joining in.

Lolz

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PostPosted: 13:37 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shut up arry, my fourth blob is a deeper gold than yours Laughing


It's because I have some enemies innit.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if you were to develop a chronic bad back, you'd be square in the sights of both Labour and the Racialists for their uncosted promises of jam tomorrow.


I have a chronic bad back, but don't see any of them targeting me with freebies Sad
Maybe I'm a mug, and should make more of my problem Thinking
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Rogerborg wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
I nearly didn't vote in the last two elections as i felt those in my demographic just dont figure even in the lefts thinking, simply because of work/income type, essentially low status.

Have you tried not being in your work/income demographic?

I mean, if people who matter think you don't matter, perhaps they have a point.

I'm not even suggesting that you try to increase your income, but if you were to develop a chronic bad back, you'd be square in the sights of both Labour and the Racialists for their uncosted promises of jam tomorrow.

Ribenapigeon wrote:
In fact I would say your status is entirely related to how much effort those with political power will give to considering how to get your vote.

That's an unusual definition of status, but one with which I happen to agree.

Chuck in the attempt to contribute anything, become a pure consumer, and join the shrieking mobs of gibsmedats being pandered to by Comrade Corbyn and Wee Nickie.


Yes i majorly distrust the Corbyn promise mschine. It seems too fixated on an almost tabloid picture of what presses peoples buttons (awww poor nurses etc) I certainly don't see much being offered to the genuinely poor. But hey "for the many not the few".
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know my place.


I look up to ^ him, as he has more blobs of gold than me.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
recman wrote:
I know my place.


I look up to ^ him, as he has more blobs of gold than me.


And I look up to him ^, as his post is above mine.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:


I look up to ^ him, as he has more blobs of gold than me.


And I look up to him ^, as his post is above mine.


And I look ↓ on them, as their posts are below mine

Although really, chickenstrip should have said that ..

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PostPosted: 14:32 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
if you were to develop a chronic bad back, you'd be square in the sights of both Labour and the Racialists for their uncosted promises of jam tomorrow.


I have a chronic bad back, but don't see any of them targeting me with freebies Sad
Maybe I'm a mug, and should make more of my problem Thinking

Same here, I'd need to spunk a load of my savings before Rogerborg will give me the money I'm entitled to Crying or Very sad

Anyone fancy a bender?
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Same here, I'd need to spunk a load of my savings before Rogerborg will give me the money I'm entitled to Crying or Very sad

Nope, Personal Independence Payment isn't means tested. It's essentially whole-life as well.

20% of "working" age Scotch are registered disabled. That's practically a majority (I never learned to count).
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh wow *runs down benefit office*... I mean limp.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole PIP thing is just a way of permanently warehousing people as some say the whole benefit system has become exactly that. Hence the proposal for Universal Basic Wage.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It's essentially whole-life as well.

Folded arms

Life time awards are really really rare. Typically it'll be for two or three years before having to be reassessed.

People who had lifetime DLA awards had to be reassessed for PIP.

The fuss about PIP is slightly overstated as ESA can pay more than PIP plus ESA entitles you to other freebies from the DWP.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pass the popcorn
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 06 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people on this forum know a suspicious amount about benefits Very Happy
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