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Posted: 11:29 - 17 Jul 2017 Post subject: |
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If you were talking about buying your own bike and insuring that, maybe, but as arry points out, you're going to have to spin some tales. If you don't have a prang it won't matter, but then you wouldn't have needed insurance anyway. If you do have a prang, the truth might out.
And bear in mind that the costs of being held hostage by a single provider may outweigh much of the savings from bypassing a training school.
Don't be under any illusions that cancelling after a month or so will get you most of the money back either, or that you can get "monthly" insurance and cancel it without penalty at any time.
Sorry to Tef out on you, but the cartel doesn't operate with this sort of wheeze in mind. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 17:36 - 17 Jul 2017 Post subject: |
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Just my personal opinion. If you've done Mod 1 on your 125 (and passed obviously ), and can practice on private land with a big bike then go for it. Hopefully that practice will give you a feel for the clutch and enough respect for the weight that Mod 2 shouldn't be a problem.
However I am inclined to agree that particularly if you're shit hot, a training school should put you through on a short DAS course. I was just shit (well when it came to Mod 1) and it cost me £330. I'm willing to bet you'll pay a similar amount to insure a bike which isn't yours. |
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As an instructor, do you actively encourage young 17-18yr old riders to do A1, A2, A knowing that the system is bollocks and as an instructor you would very quickly know if someone could ride a bike or not for shit. Also you must know that apart from the twat on here who kept spazzing up on A2 tests, that if you had a rider come through your school that could ride a CG125 like they'd had 20years of experience, that they could just as easily ride the same tests on a Fireblade. If you can ride a bike like a natural it don't matter what the bike is.
If you see a bumbling fool on a 125 making a right old mess of it, bearing in mind your job is to make money out of people, do you tell them honestly that bikes arnt their thing and it's a waste of time? Or do you encourage them, advise lots of lessons and tell them to come back for A2 because you think they'd be great on a bigger bike?
And finally why is machine control not more important in training. I mean they have to swerve a 125 through some cones at 25mph or something on test?
If it was about machine control I'd want my students to have natural balance and ability, and be able to wrap the bike around their finger to make it do whatever they want. Im not quite talking Gary Rothwell, but someone that has great control and loads of confidence, and is not one bit scared of the bike. |
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Posted: 19:44 - 17 Jul 2017 Post subject: |
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stevo as b4 wrote: | As an instructor, do you actively encourage young 17-18yr old riders to do A1, A2, A knowing that the system is bollocks and as an instructor you would very quickly know if someone could ride a bike or not for shit. |
We discourage A1. No point when you can do A2 at 19 years old so the CBT pretty much covers a 17 year old until they are ready to go for A2. We do encourage A2 as DAS for cat A is 24 or 21 with a full A2 licence at 19. Our upgrade cost is less than our full DAS course (unlike some other schools)
stevo as b4 wrote: | Also you must know that apart from the twat on here who kept spazzing up on A2 tests, that if you had a rider come through your school that could ride a CG125 like they'd had 20years of experience, that they could just as easily ride the same tests on a Fireblade. If you can ride a bike like a natural it don't matter what the bike is. | For the upgrades you have to stamp out bad habits and its surprising how many you have picked up between CBT's and full upgrades.
stevo as b4 wrote: | If you see a bumbling fool on a 125 making a right old mess of it, bearing in mind your job is to make money out of people, do you tell them honestly that bikes arnt their thing and it's a waste of time? Or do you encourage them, advise lots of lessons and tell them to come back for A2 because you think they'd be great on a bigger bike? |
Both. There are some we have advised that bikes may not be the way forward but that is after exhausting every option to us. Sometimes we encourage extra training. At the moment we have a guy starting DAS on Wednesday, he's in for his second training session tomorrow in addition to his CBT day. If its going on to test we have requested the candidate postpone a test if they are likely to fail so we can conduct extra training.
stevo as b4 wrote: | And finally why is machine control not more important in training. I mean they have to swerve a 125 through some cones at 25mph or something on test? |
Machine control is basic CBT stuff and always taught as part of the CBT syllabus. If that is not taught on the day then the student did not get a CBT. Module 1 is mostly about machine control for anyone gaining their licence. The avoidance is at 32mph, faster than it is on a standard town road.
stevo as b4 wrote: | If it was about machine control I'd want my students to have natural balance and ability, and be able to wrap the bike around their finger to make it do whatever they want. Im not quite talking Gary Rothwell, but someone that has great control and loads of confidence, and is not one bit scared of the bike. |
Thats why there are training schools and there are training schools. Our policy is to teach the students how to ride. The tests are incidental to the training. By the time our school is finished with the student they are a competent rider, not someone who has a full licence. ____________________ illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
Hockeystorm65:.well there are childish arguments...there are very childish arguments.....there are really stupid childish arguments and now there are......Pinkfloyd arguments!
Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said. |
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Posted: 18:48 - 19 Jul 2017 Post subject: |
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I wish I knew where to begin.. wasn't expecting so much output
For which I am grateful
I have had few practice lessons and feel confident enough on 600cc
I have A1 and a valid Theory
My dilemma now is to insure the bike for the mod 1 and 2
I have booked mod 1 for mid of next month
What I want to try and add myself to my mates insurance policy as a second driver
Not really sure what other options there are |
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Posted: 21:55 - 19 Jul 2017 Post subject: |
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CivilDrone wrote: | Not really sure what other options there are |
Legally: buy your own 595cc+ 40kW+ bike, insure it through Bikesure, and find some way to get it to and from the test centre without riding it yourself.
Practically: do it on any bike, check the "yes, I am insured to ride this bike" box, and don't stack it into anything.
I'll stress that if you go for an intermediate option where you're not quite legal then you've got the worst of both world - you'll be paying money for cover that will let you down in the unlikely event that you need it. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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M.C wrote: | Aren't we getting into Vnuk territory here? |
Still waiting for that punch to the wallet.
IIRC, I was obliged to tick the "Yeah, insured, legit" box for mod 1 as well as mod 2.
It's not a risk free environment: you could stack it into Derek, the fence, or even throw your bike down and spill oil all over their nice grippy surface. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 281 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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