Bikes overpriced?

[NutsyUk]

I popped down to infinity in norwich yesterday and noticed the harley and bmw show rooms and thought to just have a little look in there. One Thing i took away when walking out is... Fook me most of these bikes are more expensive than a midrange car... many of them 15k

Am i mad or are these really just way over priced? i know a few top end (I thought top end) bikes went for around 12k but at these show rooms nearly everything was way into that upper margin.

Am i really just that dirt poor, or are these companies now asking for too much?
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[CaNsA]

Summer prices.

/thread.

[Kentol750]

Yes, overpriced when you compare to a little car. However, compare smiles per miles and an average bike is hypercar quick to 60.. That's the trade off. Forget how much you earn, buy on credit, live for the moment, buy into a lifestyle and live your dream. Motorcycling was never cheap, affordable bikes are still out there. A 6k mt07 is still a real world bike. Unfortunately, image is everything.
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[NutsyUk]

MT7 is pretty but i cant afford one :p
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Yamaha FZ8/Fazer800 (split headlight one) 2014, gingerly getting used to the massive increase in HP and not killing myself in the process! That was easy to get used to.
Kawasaki ER6F 2007 650 Gonna sell as a project bike!
Lexmoto XTR S 125 Sold!

[Kentol750]

Then, your post is redundant. If, a decent priced new bike is beyond your means, what are you moaning about?
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[M.C]

In terms of performance cars are massively overpriced. What's the cheapest fast car that gets anywhere close to a sports bike?

20k for an Astra diesel, I'd rather have aids.

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

I suppose the mid-range car analogy falls down because they're sold in their millions so there's an economy of scale. I know what you mean though. I can't imagine paying £12k for a bike.
Now £11k... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232409139145?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true

Still no.

[NutsyUk]

I was more moaning at the 15k price tag, I considered 12k the high end :p

but 11k for a 18 year old bike.... And how the hell does a 18 year old bike only have 66 miles on the clock o.O
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Kawasaki ER6F 2007 650 Gonna sell as a project bike!
Lexmoto XTR S 125 Sold!

[pepperami]

[Skudd]

I was looking for a new bike, but now way over the odds. My last three bikes have been brand new, well the last one was bout 13 years ago, but now I will have to get second hand. Still some nice bikes out there but even second hand you are paying £6-7k.
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[Alpineandy]

[Kentol750]

If we look at prices 15 years ago compared to now (according to inflation), the r1 was more expensive. However, wages haven't increased to match it. That's the problem. Plus, 15 years ago you could buy a 97 zx7r for 2.5k. Or a new Honda x11 for 6k (ish).
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[M.C]

[Rob Fzs]

[Beehive Bedlam]

[ADSrox0r]

They're shifting a lot of them now on PCP I would think.
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[M.C]

I could afford two but no way would I pay that much for a bike. I'm glad someone does as we need second hand bikes on the market.

[Polarbear]

My Trophy was £13500 when I bought it. My last Goldwing was about £15k.

Silly money? Well it depends how do you look at them? My Trophy is what you would consider the top end of bikes, Triumphs flagship model. What's the equivalent car, a Bentley?

£5600 for a new SV650 and £7000 for a new Tracer 700 (list prices) isn't extortionate in my eyes.

Look how much you can pay for a fucking pushbike
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[M.C]

[stevo as b4]

I kind of get OP's point in terms of absolutes, but last time I mentioned that 15k bikes were silly and crazy over priced, people like Alex A told me to shut the fuck up and fall back in line, as inflation was a thing.

A slightly more believable and reasonable explanation is that of economic conditions, the fall out from the 2008/9 down turn in the economy, and the fact that the pound is now alot weaker against the yen. Also the Japanese manufacturers cut back on midrange high spec and light and desirable bikes that shared parts and technology with some of their Halo bikes.

They cheaped out on low spec steel framed A2 compliant garbage, that even with euro 3 were cheaper to make and were half arsed shit that they thought the market needed and demanded. I think it was at the time people wanted cheap bikes that still had some sporty fairings on top and said stuff like CBR on the side, while hiding a steel frame underneath, non adjustable suspension and other homosexual shit.

People bought it though and they sold this shit probably making a nice easy profit too.

600's are dead in sportsbike terms, and it's only probably BSB, WSB and the fact some riders want the latest top end litre bike that keeps the declining superbike market going. Look at how long Honda and Suzuki sold virtually unchanged Fireblades and GSXR's for. The 2year re-design programme is dead.

They'll be less litre sports bikes soon, as they won't carry on updating all of them, and if the current ugly alien naked 1000 market carries on growing, they'll make them into high spec performance nakeds instead.

I won't pay £16k for an R1, when I don't need the capabilitys of them, and don't care for the electronics and euro compliant spec that ruins drivability.

Yeah in the 90's £8k was alot, but I don't care what you say more people could afford £8k then than £15k now. Plus we were in the boom labour years then, and cheap credit/loans were everywhere and accessible to most.

And finally you had the parallel years, where in 98 you'd have got a European spec blade for just under £8k, and an R1 for probably not much more.

Cars have got cheaper for the spec for ages, and are in some ways far better value than bikes. Exception is that's there tons more second hand premium cars for sale than bikes at any time because of over supply, pre registering and the fact they haven't had thousands sucked out of the market and sent to Europe in the back of trucks like the demand over supply position used bikes are now in.

[Rogerborg]

[stevo as b4]

The other way to look at it Rog is that all but the most basic new Fiesta now comes with built-in sat nav and Bluetooth etc, where as only the top spec adventure bikes probably get it as std, so maybe the car is a better buy and more VFM?

Let's face it both new cars and bikes are throw away items with non diy able faulting, and getting new electronic bits when they spazz up or get fried will be impossible 10years on. The car whilst still shitter build quality than years ago is likely to out last the bike in terms of expected lifespan and mileage.

[Teflon-Mike]

[Polarbear]

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