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Polarbear wrote: | Rogerborg wrote: | A 1.1 Fiesta with satnav [is the equivalent of a £13,500 Trophy], would be the other way to look at it. |
No, it's certainly not that, it's a much nicer place to be than a Fiesta. |
Now, now, I'm noting that's all the car you'd get for £13,500.
I was actually surprised at the prices of cars, I think I was stuck in some Teflonian fantasy past where a Fiesta still costs about as much as a commuter bike. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 11:30 - 24 Jul 2017 Post subject: Re: over complicated |
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lingeringstink wrote: | Britain used to rule the world in bikes. It was the golden age of biking and people had fun and people used them as legitimate transport. |
We all have our own "golden age of biking" though, don't we? The old Brit iron doesn't do a great deal for me - it's not what I was brought up with, and I can barely tell one from another. For me, the golden age was from the late 70s through to the time when sports bikes really came to the fore. But then, after the first ones (late 80s through early 90s), they became all you ever saw. The number of times I'd pick a bike magazine off the shelf in WH Smith and think, "not another bloody CBR600 road test!" They seemed to become the Jap obsession, with the odd departure, like the Kwak Zephyrs; but they were only a nod in the direction of what non-sports bike fans wanted. Yes, they wanted something that harked back to the days of the early Zs, but not a porky, under-powered version of it. Why did the Japs think that everyone modified their Zs and GSs when they had them?!
Thing is, when bikes were more basic, you could upgrade them in neat stages, spreading the cost of achieving the bike you wanted to own, instead of having everything thrown at you in one go from the showroom, and then finding that it wasn't quite what you had in mind anyway. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Oh another comment im going to be lynched for...
I like the transformers sharp edge look bikes are going for ____________________ Yamaha FZ8/Fazer800 (split headlight one) 2014, gingerly getting used to the massive increase in HP and not killing myself in the process! That was easy to get used to.
Kawasaki ER6F 2007 650 Gonna sell as a project bike!
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NutsyUk wrote: | Oh another comment im going to be lynched for...
I like the transformers sharp edge look bikes are going for |
It's just what you're familiar with I guess.
As soon as I posted above, I thought, nope, I'm wrong.
Has anything really changed at all? Bike styling, yes. More electronics, yes. But actually, lots of people still modify their bikes to achieve what they want. And lots of people still work on their own bikes, whether it be the latest road rocket developed from cutting-edge track technology, or an Enfield that hasn't changed that much in 50 years or more.
People still commute on bikes that are cheaper to run than a car (a la Nutsy here), and people still spend thousands on the ultimate in performance.
So what has actually changed in biking?
Whether I had the latest, most up-to-date offering from the showroom, or a throwback to when I was younger, I'd still be riding for the same reasons, and I'd still be able to find a bike that fulfilled those requirements. And most of the time, I couldn't afford new back in my earlier biking days, and I can't now. But I could nearly always find something decent second hand that fitted the bill.
It might even be fair to say that we have more choice in the kind of bike available today than anyone ever did in the past, and at prices that suit most pockets, if we're not talking exclusively brand new machines. And even then, years ago people took out loans and finance to pay for them, and people do that and PCP now.
So yeah, what's actually different? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Back in the early noughties when I was whizzing about like a loon on a 125, the bike meets were always heaving. I remember Boxhill being full to capacity (i.e. hundreds) most summer Sundays. I’d say the carpark was at least 75% sportsbikes then too.
Went to Boxhill at the start of summer and saw perhaps 30 bikes, of which 30% were sportsbikes.
Where’s everyone gone? ____________________ NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
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100 % agree Dalemac. I built a Fireblade up from E-Bay bits, just the way I wanted it, (R1 forks, RSV swinger, cbr1000 rear wheel, -05 fairing, GSXR K3 seat unit.... Its still not quite there yet. You can do that with the 90's stuff, its bereft of anything 'electronic' other than needed for basic ignition. I picked up a Falco for exactly the same reason, daft cheap for what will be a Tuano/Mille when I'm done. I'll bet there is nothing interchangeable on the latest stuff.
Not doing the 'I'm Rossi in disguise' thing, but I rarely get left behind. I merely chuckle at Devils Bridge as I arrive on my £1000 motorcycle, most of their gear costs more than I pay for complete, good looking machinery. And, if the worst happens, so what? It can be repaired or even improved for buttons. ____________________ The CBR900RR has been sold. Aprilia Falco worms its way into my heart.
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I guess I'm different as I've only just started biking, but I still reckon bikes are great value for money.
Take the MT07 for instance. My father asked me why I wanted a bike so I asked "If I offered you a brand new car that does 70mpg if you're careful and 0-60 in about 4seconds if you're not, that costs around £100 year to tax and you can buy today for £5,500, would you be interested?" Whatever way you look at that, it's a bargain. Lets not mention insurance either.
Plus, all bikes are very cheap in comparison to their car compatriots:
Honda NC750S is £6353. An equivalent commuter car (mid spec Honda Jazz SE Navi) is £16,065.
Ducati Panigale R is around £30K when specced, Ferrari 488 starts around £180,000.
and it's the same across the board:
BMW R1200GS Adventure is £13,400 base, BMX X5 (posermobile with pretensions of off-road ability) is £47,160 base.
Lexmoto ZSX is £1599.99, Dacia Sandero £5995.
Whatever point in the range you're looking, an equivalent car will always cost at least 3 times the price of it's biking equivalent. ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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jjdugen wrote: | Dare I say it, but.... the car will last three times longer than the bike and usually go through 150,000 miles in the process. There are performance cars out there for less than 5K, but the on-costs can get horrific. Pays your money, takes your choice. Come back in the depths of winter and tell me how good bikes are! |
Possibly true, but that only a factor for a small percentage of bikers - commuters. Most people (sweeping generalisation I know), will swap out their car/bike every 3/5 years as the finacnce ends or they get bored. As such, longevity for most riders doesn't actually matter that much. Ditto for mileage. 'Toy' bikes and 'toy' cars probably do less than 5000miles/yr anyway,so who cares if the engine is done by 100k?
Even then, how many commuters actually keep one car for the mega miles? The commuters I know tend to get a new eco shit box once it hits 75-100K anyway, out of habit as much as anything else I reckon.
On the subject of commuters, they'll do whatever mileage they need to do, bike or car. Plenty have bikes with 50K miles plus on them and some probably do 20K plus a year on bike exclusively. Swapping to a car won't save those people money, they'll just buy more fuel/ insurance and spend less on servicing/consumables.
Lastly, the topic of the ops post. 'Halo' bikes like the R1, Panigale, top end Harleys etc. People buy these becasue they want them. It can't be justified on price, so this doesn't really matter. But does a bloke derive more enjoyment out of having his dream ferrari than his dream Ducati? Either way he's hit the pinnacle of vehicular awesomness as far as he's concerned, it's just that more people can achieve that with bikes.
I can say with some certainty that no one on this forum will ever own a P1, but if they wanted an H2R, a second mortgage and an understanding spouse could make that dream reality, even for a filthy commoner... ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 267 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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