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This is a better place for it, although actual news on how it will affect bikes is pretty thin on the ground. They're barely mentioned at all even in the detailed plans that I can find, as per usual. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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If you ban petrol driven cars entirely, I can't see petrol stations staying in business purely for motorcycles, lawnmowers and generators. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Polarbear wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | If you ban petrol driven cars entirely, I can't see petrol stations staying in business purely for motorcycles, lawnmowers and generators. |
What about canal boats, although we do use red diesel so perhaps that will carry on.
I presume farmers won't have to use electric tractors. |
Think of the (increasing) expense of extracting crude from source, refining it to petroleum, and distributing it for road use. All the things you have mentioned are niche compared to the amount used for cars. I could see maybe a few petrol stations staying open for a short while, but then you'd be where electric vehicles are now; you don't have that many choices of where to go to charge up. And unlike electric 'fuelling' points which may well increase in numbers, petrol stations would reduce steadily as demand falls.
Look at leaded petrol. Where can you get that now? A few very specialised sources. How many people would be prepared to pay the premium for those services?
And actually, I presume farmers will have to use electric tractors (or hydrogen, or whatever becomes the fuel of the future).
And, weren't they saying a ban on petrol and diesel by 2040? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Or, hydrogen might become the fuel of choice. Logistics of supply wouldn't need to change all that much, and you can top up your tank as quickly as you can with petrol. Also, you wouldn't have millions of dead batteries to deal with as time goes on. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Reality check: a Tesla 360MJ battery masses over 550kg.
You'd have to mandate not only a single design of battery, you'd have to design the vehicle around making it swappable. In practice, that would make it a single global design.
How many such batteries could a 'refuelling' station realistically store? A few dozen? How many different generations of battery could they store? It would freeze whatever battery technology wins pretty much forever.
Still, I'm sure it'll just take some legislation to sort all this out. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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If Redox flow battery tech can be made small enough then that might work in place of filling up, but that happening is no sure thing.
Hydrogen is not going to happen in any big way I suspect, it costs a flipping bomb to install, and it's like having one on your site too. Really power hungry to compress the gas on site as well.
Battery swapping is a total non starter, loads of people have tried to make it work...
While battery recharge times look like they are going to hit 20 minutes for a 80% charge in the near future, 40 minute charges are already here, and some places can already handle 30 minute, and a new series of chargers are starting to be installed as we speak, which make the Tesla superchargers look a bit wimpy. These new chargers have a 350kWh supply to a car that can handle it (which is to be fair not that many) still that's nearly three faster than the 120kWh of the Tesla ones.
To be honest, charging is something I'm not that worried about.
Finding petrol even in ten years time, yeah that might start getting tricky if everyone starts moving over to plugin hybrids and charging them at home and only buying a tank of petrol every few weeks. ____________________ 2015 Zero-SR; Yamaha Diversion 900 |
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Have you seen how busy petrol stations can get when it takes 2 minutes to fill a vehicle?
Picture 1 in 5 urbanites trying to charge up at 8am.
The scale of the new infrastructure that we'll need is mind bending. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Solar cells will be 27,000% efficient by then, so they'll just charge up under the street lights. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Yeah sure, why not.
Solar panels make about 150w per square meter but scientists have got 23 years to fix that issue. |
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Ownership of private vehicles will be restrictively taxed by 2040.
Instead, you'll summon your UBER self driving i-car and let it drive you to your destination.
You'll also be taxed 3000000 carbon credits for every mile travelled, (which will be automatically removed from your i-pay account) for daring to use a form of transport other than a bicycle..
Can't wait. <grimace> ____________________ NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 273 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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