2040 car ban

[thehairysmite...]

So they'll ban the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2040. Will this end up affecting bikes? What about the availability of petrol stations for motorcycles after everyones gone electric?!

[Ste]

Yes to both questions.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=321138

[thehairysmite...]

Oh didn't spot the other thread! Cheers

[Rogerborg]

This is a better place for it, although actual news on how it will affect bikes is pretty thin on the ground. They're barely mentioned at all even in the detailed plans that I can find, as per usual.
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[chickenstrip]

If you ban petrol driven cars entirely, I can't see petrol stations staying in business purely for motorcycles, lawnmowers and generators.
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[Polarbear]

[chickenstrip]

[M.C]

[J4mes]

Hopefully they will develop generic batteries that can be lifted in/out/off the vehicle and replaced with a charged unit in the same time it takes to fill the tank currently, and you'll just drive In, get changed and drive out again.

But the logistics of storing and charging I dunno, 500 units at a busy stop would be interesting for sure.

[chickenstrip]

Or, hydrogen might become the fuel of choice. Logistics of supply wouldn't need to change all that much, and you can top up your tank as quickly as you can with petrol. Also, you wouldn't have millions of dead batteries to deal with as time goes on.
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[Polarbear]

[Rogerborg]

Reality check: a Tesla 360MJ battery masses over 550kg.

You'd have to mandate not only a single design of battery, you'd have to design the vehicle around making it swappable. In practice, that would make it a single global design.

How many such batteries could a 'refuelling' station realistically store? A few dozen? How many different generations of battery could they store? It would freeze whatever battery technology wins pretty much forever.

Still, I'm sure it'll just take some legislation to sort all this out.
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[Codezombie]

If Redox flow battery tech can be made small enough then that might work in place of filling up, but that happening is no sure thing.

Hydrogen is not going to happen in any big way I suspect, it costs a flipping bomb to install, and it's like having one on your site too. Really power hungry to compress the gas on site as well.

Battery swapping is a total non starter, loads of people have tried to make it work...

While battery recharge times look like they are going to hit 20 minutes for a 80% charge in the near future, 40 minute charges are already here, and some places can already handle 30 minute, and a new series of chargers are starting to be installed as we speak, which make the Tesla superchargers look a bit wimpy. These new chargers have a 350kWh supply to a car that can handle it (which is to be fair not that many) still that's nearly three faster than the 120kWh of the Tesla ones.

To be honest, charging is something I'm not that worried about.

Finding petrol even in ten years time, yeah that might start getting tricky if everyone starts moving over to plugin hybrids and charging them at home and only buying a tank of petrol every few weeks.
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[Polarbear]

What about LNG (Methane) burning IC engines?

Ships already burn that in pretty standard diesel engines and you get water vapour from the exhaust.
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[B5234FT]

It takes about half an hour to charge for 200 miles now in the best cases, by 2040 I'd hope it would be better, and really, ANY driver ought to be stopping for a half hour break every 200 miles anyway.

In terms of availability for bikes, they're banning new vehicles, it will take 20 years for the older ones to disappear from mainstream use.

Even after that, fuel will doubtless be available, through specialist suppliers. Convenient enough to cater to trackdays and museum pieces (like buying race fuel, castrol R or LRP now) but not widespread enough to use a motorcycle for transport easily.

Realistically however, by the time it happens I wont be riding bikes anymore and an alternative will come along. It's only 120 years since the first mass produced cars started to phase out horses and it took 20 plus years for stables and blacksmiths in every town to begin to fade.

[Going]

[Rogerborg]

Have you seen how busy petrol stations can get when it takes 2 minutes to fill a vehicle?

Picture 1 in 5 urbanites trying to charge up at 8am.

The scale of the new infrastructure that we'll need is mind bending.
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[M.C]

[Ste]

[Rogerborg]

Solar cells will be 27,000% efficient by then, so they'll just charge up under the street lights.
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[Ste]

Yeah sure, why not.

Solar panels make about 150w per square meter but scientists have got 23 years to fix that issue.

[Kris]

Ownership of private vehicles will be restrictively taxed by 2040.

Instead, you'll summon your UBER self driving i-car and let it drive you to your destination.

You'll also be taxed 3000000 carbon credits for every mile travelled, (which will be automatically removed from your i-pay account) for daring to use a form of transport other than a bicycle..

Can't wait. <grimace>
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[B5234FT]

[Rogerborg]

[155mph]

Doesn't the Treasury raise significant revenue from the sale of petrol and diesel? How would they plug that hole?