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Posted: 10:39 - 06 Aug 2017 Post subject: |
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arry wrote: | this bike will do well with rich kids that think it's something it isn't. |
Because of the not-quite-a-gixxer badge, or the GP paint scheme?
Aside, I've just spotted that the Ninja 300 and 250 have both been discontinued for 2017 - it wasn't even worth Kawasaki's bother updating them for Euro 4. Hyosung and Daelim also appears to have given up on their 250s.
However the not-a-gixxer loses out to the remaining "sports" bikes in the A2 category: the R3, RC390 and CBR500R all thrash it on performance, and even the CBR300R beats it on performance and weight and price.
As a prettified Inazuma it might work, but it's about a grand over-priced for that purpose, and I'd expect it to be fire-saled from new.
I just don't get what Suzuki were thinking. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 12:32 - 06 Aug 2017 Post subject: |
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Rogerborg wrote: |
Because of the not-quite-a-gixxer badge, or the GP paint scheme? |
Yes; bare racebike YO.
Rogerborg wrote: | Aside, I've just spotted that the Ninja 300 and 250 have both been discontinued for 2017 - it wasn't even worth Kawasaki's bother updating them for Euro 4. Hyosung and Daelim also appears to have given up on their 250s.
However the not-a-gixxer loses out to the remaining "sports" bikes in the A2 category: the R3, RC390 and CBR500R all thrash it on performance, and even the CBR300R beats it on performance and weight and price. |
I'm not surprised on them being discontinued - they're a non-seller. Which is a shame as because as you say, yours is a handy little bike that's got its place in the world. But there aren't enough stupid people out there to sell them (brand new/non-discounted) to.
Rogerborg wrote: | As a prettified Inazuma it might work, but it's about a grand over-priced for that purpose, and I'd expect it to be fire-saled from new.
I just don't get what Suzuki were thinking. |
Me neither - and already called it my heritage-bro:
arry wrote: | It'll sell when they drop the price by 900 quid on pre registered deals on 0% finance. Possibly.... there are some idiots out there. |
My only guess is that they saw a gap in their range and filled it with something the generic parts bin could produce relatively cheaply. If it's the DL250 in disguise I'd not be terribly surprised. |
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stevo as b4 wrote: | Arry, the thing is if your going to have it as a second bike. And especially if it's one that ain't gotta be a reliable daily ride, you might as well buy an old RG125FUN or RG200. Both have at least 30bhp, weigh 30-40kg less dry, and would be once set up a proper little back roads scalpel.
The big RGV would be like a flighty twitchy little exocet missile in comparison.
I know I'm being a cock talking about something that can never be A2 compliant, but anyone who's buying a small bike for a second bike that doesn't apply to. |
Sort of proving my point a bit although not the way I'd go about it.
If you've got a full licence the 250/300's won't interest you even as a second bike, unless you can get one cheap, at which point you'll probably buy one and enjoy it. Otherwise you'll buy something else. That leaves only the A2 kids to buy them and frankly they're not doing so in sufficient volumes.
However, find a dozen examples of each of the bikes you've mentioned anywhere in the country for sale right now? Sort of limited choice really; and again therefore you end up with something else (like I did, a 500 Enfield).
Quote: | Your point about making these A2 bikes cheap and heavy, is fair too, but in the 90's you couldn't sell a sportsbike if it wasn't an aluminium beam framed, high tech bike with fully adjustable suspension, and stuff like USD forks, sticky tyres and big brakes. |
Glory days. Long since passed.
Quote: | I don't think peoples want list is much different today really. |
Want is one thing; willing to pay for is another. I think I've seen possibly 2-3 people on here in 7-8 years ACTUALLY go out and buy a brand new litre exotica, for example. There's examples of people moaning that an MT07 is too expensive these days. Look what's happened to 125 sales since Euro4 compliance was made mandatory and the price got whacked. Imagine asking someone to part with something ridiculous like £8k for a relative tiddler? It'd have to be pretty drippy with kit and again, there wouldn't be a natural hotbed of buyers flocking to the dealership.
Quote: | Saying that theres people mostly older folk buying these CBR 300's and Ninja's etc as a light easy to manage bike in their late riding years, just as they would buy a scooter etc. But the A2 bikes arnt selling to anyone who actually is supposed to buy them due to their licencing restrictions. |
Exactly - and I'd hazard a guess even the old-timers aren't buying them new, which is why there's so few about.
It's a shame, but it' where we're at. |
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stevo as b4 wrote: | What do we need to do though to make bikes and biking take up bigger and more interesting? |
In the 19-23 bracket, more fun (= poke + lightness) + more cheapness. And I mean significantly more cheapness, as in a number starting with a 2 rather than a 4 or a 5.
A2 + Euro4-bollocks guarantees pretty much the opposite of that.
This bike is the epitome of that opposite.
I think it's very telling that Kawasaki have just given up on the segment. Total sales of all 11 (!) versions of the Ninja 300 came to under 1000 bikes.
The R3 has sold under 500.
RC390, under 450.
CBR300R under 300.
The stonking success has been the CBR500R with about 2000 sold.
As I've noted every time an A2 "sports" bike comes out: if you're on your way up the licensing categories, why would you settle for less than the 35kW limit that you're allowed? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Now in MCN's fleet.
"I want to spend my time with the GSX transforming it into the nippy pocket rocket it deserves to be".
Best of luck with that, chap. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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So he hasn't tested it properly yet giving review / advice / recommendation... wow ____________________ Current Bike: Yamaha XSR900 Previous bikes: Honda CBR1000RR Fireblade, Kawasaki ZX-6R Ninja, Aprilia RS125 2-stroke |
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More GSX 250R MCN journalism to make you smile.
The guy complains that motorists assume that he's on a bigger bike and naturally pull to the side to let him pass, but he has to sit behind them for miles because the gaps they leave are too small for his 250! No mention of lack of overtaking power, but maybe his typewriter ribbon ran out?
I'm still not suggesting that it's a bad bike but I'd like to hear more about real world performance.
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn-motorycles/2017/suzuki-gsx250r/kevin-schwantz-ride-silverstone/ |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 200 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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