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Posted: 09:09 - 11 Aug 2017 Post subject: Another what bike thread |
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Yes sorry, apologise for yet another "what bike thread", but hopefully this is sufficiently different to the other one running at present
My biggest problem is that i don't really know "bikes" very well, so don't really know what i'm looking for
So lets start at the beginning with a list of wants
Something around the 600cc mark (will hopefully have a full licence in the next few weeks)
Something with a more upright riding position than a sports bike (slightly iffy back, and prefer to have good vision being new to riding)
Naked ideally, i much prefer the naked look, plus less to fix if i do happen to drop it
4 cylinder, but open to options on this, the only 2 bike bikes i have ridden are a Kawasaki ER6N (parrellel twin i believe) and a 600 Fazer, this was during my first day of DAS training, and i much preferred the Fazers power delivery (seems smoother than the twin), i have now ridden the Fazer half a dozen times or so and feel quite comfortable on it
So with that in mind, and a budget of around £1500, what options are out there
And also, am i right in assuming that anything fully fared will have a low down/leaning forward riding position
My shortlist so far is as follows
Yamaha 600 Fazer/FZS600
Honda Hornet 600/CBF600
Suzuki Bandit 600
Am i missing any other obvious bikes? ____________________ Current Bike: Honda CG125 ES4 // Honda CB600FS Hornet // Triumph Street Triple R |
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Posted: 09:47 - 11 Aug 2017 Post subject: Re: Another what bike thread |
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rpsmith79 wrote: | And also, am i right in assuming that anything fully fared will have a low down/leaning forward riding position |
The ER6F and GSX650F are an ER6N and a Bandit 650 respectively, wearing pretty frocks.
Curious question though, since you prefer naked.
Your list is pretty good, and you can only buy bikes that are for sale rather than theoretical exotica.
Bandit 650s are starting to drop into that price range now, although you're adding a fair amount of weight over the 600.
You could keep an eye open for a Kawasaki Z750 as well, but they seem to be going for surprisingly high bids at the moment.
Sadly, Street Triples still aren't down to your budget yet, but you may just be able to scoop a Speed Four. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 09:54 - 11 Aug 2017 Post subject: |
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Reason i ask about fully fared bikes, is am i discounting something that could fit my bill (upright, 600ish), albeit at the expense of not buying a naked bike
I have discounted them more on the basis of riding position, but the added bonus of less to fix/repair if i do bin it
And yes you are quite right, i don't want rare/random suggestions that are harder to find then hens teeth, but as i don't know a great deal about what bikes are what, i was just hoping to expand my search criteria
I'm more used to buying 2nd hand cars, where generally there are loads of examples about, slight different beast buying used bikes as there just aren't the numbers out there (that i am used to anyway)
Also, am i right in my thinking that a 4 cylinder will have smoother power delivery than a twin, as my only experience is on riding one of each, and could be down to being a quirk of the bike itself, rather than the engine configuration
Will certainly add those other 2 to my shortlist, cheers ____________________ Current Bike: Honda CG125 ES4 // Honda CB600FS Hornet // Triumph Street Triple R |
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Posted: 10:56 - 11 Aug 2017 Post subject: |
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Sure, IL4s are much smootherer. I personally prefer twins, but it is just that - a personal preference. You'll be fine with any of those bikes that you've listed. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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When I passed DAS I also knew bugger-all about bikes, so I went to a bike shop, sat on a silver one that felt comfortable and bought it. Turned out to be a 2003 Fazer.
Five years and 48000 miles later I still have the same bike. I too have a bit of an iffy back, bizarrely when my back's playing up badly the only time it doesn't hurt is when I'm on the Fazer. I've generally found the bike to be reliable, cheap and easy to work on and a great all-rounder.
Issues I've had with it are:
Downpipes rot badly at the collector box (where the pipes join under the bike), so look for one with a stainless exhaust or factor it into your budget. Even if it looks perfect the pipes can go from a teeny-weeny pin hole to Swiss cheese in a couple of weeks, I kid you not.
Speedometer suddenly failed because the sender rotor on the front axle disintegrated. Luckily these only cost about £20 and if you're capable of pulling a front wheel off then you're capable of fixing it yourself.
Front wheel bearing wore out at about 20,000 miles, again cheap to replace but for me anyway it was a 'pay a mechanic' job, but not expensive.
Had to fit new spark plug caps last week, cost £12 and took five minutes per plug.
All in all not bad for an old bike with a ton of mileage dumped on it in a short time. ____________________ They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa, hey-hey,
the men in white coats are coming to take me away.
Yamaha Vity -> YBR125 -> FZS600 Fazer -> FZ1-S Fazer |
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This is brilliant for checking out riding positions https://cycle-ergo.com/ ____________________ They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa, hey-hey,
the men in white coats are coming to take me away.
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You won't make a "bad" choice with any of the aforementioned 600's, as long as you end up with a nice clean bike which has been well maintained, and have not paid over the odds for it.
Your main concern should be refraining from buying the first thing you see, and making sure you check the bike and it's history out thoroughly. If you pay over the odds for a clean bike then it's not too bad, you can always change bikes and stand to not lose much if you advertise in the right way.
The worst scenario is if you buy a bike with many or recurring problems, and you've paid top dollar for it. Then it really gets you down and you may have to spend £££s on it, or lose a great deal by selling cheap.
So, priority for me would be:
Sit on as many different bikes as you can and try to get a test ride (sometimes difficult).
Don't rule out larger bikes unless you know they will be uninsurable.
Buy a clean, close to standard example if you can. Don't fret too much if they are not on the unofficial "good first bike" list. ____________________ Current: 2009 SV650 S, 1990 Kawasaki GT550
Previous: 2009 CBF125, 1998 GSF600, 2004 FZ6 Fazer, 1978 CB400a Hondamatic |
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arry wrote: | rpsmith79 wrote: |
Cheers for that, i'm still learning, and trying to get my head around all the different engine configurations and bike styles |
It's always worth trying out different styles - you won't know what you like until you do. More specifically don't get caught out thinking that you like a 4 and hate a twin because you didn't enjoy the one twin you rode before you had any experience - I did that, ruled them out entirely, and now I'm having more fun on a twin than I've ever had on a 4.
Bikes for moods as Rog' says. |
Oh definitely, and i am fully aware my brief excursions on a twin and IN4 are just that, brief, but being a novice rider on a big bike i would much rather stick with what i know/like for the time being
But that's not to say that in the future i will prefer a diferent type of engine/bike
And cheers everyone else for your suggestions
And yes, i have seen that ergo site, but knowing next to nothing about bikes i was finding it tricky picking bikes as i don't know what's what
And i am a bloke, 5'11" 13ish stone ____________________ Current Bike: Honda CG125 ES4 // Honda CB600FS Hornet // Triumph Street Triple R |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 259 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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