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Posted: 18:58 - 11 Aug 2017 Post subject: |
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I can't speak to the high end Rukka gear, but I bagged a low end one used from eBay. It's old enough that I can't find an equivalent current model, and it's a thin, lightweight, non-thermal affair with weird bubbly armour in the elbow and shoulders. It's so much lighter than my old RST Enduro jacket that I was sceptical that it could offer any sort of real weather protection.
However, it's still completely waterproof. No leaks anywhere through a West Coast Scotch winter (and summer, for that matter). Not a seep, not a drip.
I'm sold on Gore-Textm now. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Similar boat to Roger, got an old set off ebay, paid about £170 odd for jacket and trousers. Back armour was shagged, so grabbed a Forcefield replacement for abut £40. Likewise, it's old so no idea what model it was, or what is current equivalent. Jacket keeps me bone dry, and with thermal liner in I ride right through winter (ok, a Southern minor chill), with nowt more than base layer and thin fleece/jumper. Over years, one front popper has ripped off and zip pull broken a bit, lost ring for pull on it, but can still be used to do up zip.
Trousers are pretty waterproof, but you always feel cold'n'damp in a heavy shower. They never soak through, stuff underneath stays dry, but the outer layer does sponge up the water to give you that cold'n'damp feeling. TBF, I don't refresh them with Nikwax often enough. Also the trouser pockets aren't water proof, seem to be over top of Gore-tex layer (jacket has waterproof inside pocket though).
Biggest problem is because the Gore-tex is a mid layer, the outer layer does get sodden and can take a while to dry out. Returning from a ride in heavy rain, you get a huge puddle under where you hang them up and they'll still be damp the following day. Posher Rukka has a bonded waterproof outer layer thing so this isn't an issue.
For what's it's worth I've also crash tested them, binned the bike a few years ago in the wet, back end went smashed bike down, trashed all fairing/lights and slid into verge. I walked away with only a sore thumb, Rukka gear had one broken zip pull on leg and some loose threads on pocket zip! Still wearing same gear daily now... ____________________ Beginner Biker Adventures Blog
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I have Rukka- but only for work- its good, but terribly expensive.
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Currently rocking a Lidl special waterproof overjacket. Was £25. Is waterproof.
It's very reminiscant of the thermally bonded seams on the odd, slightly stretchy, shiny silver plastic overjackets rukka used to do ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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stinkwheel wrote: |
It's very reminiscant of the thermally bonded seams on the odd, slightly stretchy, shiny silver plastic overjackets rukka used to do |
I had a set of those silver and grey waterproofs, which were given to me when I was a DR (might've been some sort of evaluation thing) which was fortunate, because I could never justify the cost to myself - back then, the very best helmet was £100, a set of Rukkas was maybe £200, perhaps more.
Absolutely the best waterproof gear I've ever had, mainly because it was actually waterproof, plus it didn't make me sweat my cods off, so I didn't get wet from the inside out.
Now, 30 odd years later, I've got quite an expensive A* jacket, which is very comfortable, has modern features like a removable lining and zip panels for airflow, but the damn thing isn't waterproof.
If I were riding pretty much every day, all year round, I would go for Rukka again, no hesitation. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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bamt wrote: | I need to have a proper chat with him next time I see him, as I'd had my eye on some Rukka kit too (was amused to see in the latest Infinity email shot they have the Nivala jacket in for "only" £1,199.99 - a use of the word "only" that I'm not familiar with). He does ride for his day job, and I'm not sure if that is his daily riding jacket - in which case you'd expect failure eventually through fair wear and tear. It certainly didn’t look new.
I guess really what I'm saying is that these things aren't magic or perfect; it's still just material sewn together, albeit hopefully good quality material with care taken in the assembly. No matter how they are made, waterproof linings and zips are inherently less robust than say leather and traditional brass zips.
With much kit you'll get people singing praises of equipment that they've had for several years without issues - but then you find they've only actually ridden a couple of thousand miles a year in nice-ish weather so it's hardly broken in let alone tested. I'd trust Rukka (or other gore-tex) to keep me dry and comfortable far more than any other fabric, but with my usage I'd be expecting to replace it probably after about 3 years. |
There was a problem with some Rukka & other Goretex jackets when they moved to the gore lockout zip. If you don't look after the rubber rail with silicone lubricant, you can damage the runners & the can split. Could have possibly been that?
I've got a hein gericke Goretex performance shell textile suit and it's been great, never had a drop of water come through and it's warm.
I've then got a pro shell Goretex leather suit by hein gericke which is astonishing. Really comfortable, leather jacket & pants, it can be absolutely torrential for goes on end and I'm dry as you can be. The only down side of it is in the coldest of days in winter. But on those days I do try to avoid riding anyway unless I have to. ____________________ Hyosung GTR 125 ---> Suzuki GSXR 400R ---> Kawasaki 636 ---> Break ---> Kawasaki Versys 650 |
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If you're looking at Rukka textiles, you really should look into the Halverssons safety jacket. I did a bit of research a few years ago and at that time the Halverssons stuff was getting very favourable reviews.
I ended up winning a leather goretex Hein Gericke suit on ebay, which is proving to be excellent. I would love to have a set of the Rukka goretex leathers, but they seem to run at around £2k. |
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If you do invest in an expensive bonded goretex layer jacket - and bonded rather than floating is the only one I'd consider - only wear it if there's a possibility of rain, to extend the life of it.
My goretex pro shell jacket (Held, 150 discounted from 550 or so) is starting to leak now, after 5 years of daily service, including tours of Scotland and Ireland through much rain. It's seen perhaps 45k miles, possibly more - I've ridden more but not always in that jacket. It's still serviceable as a dry weather jacket and is warm, but steady rain will get in in a few places now. The quality of the jacket is wasted on weather that doesn't need it. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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Posted: 12:32 - 05 Oct 2017 Post subject: Re: Any rukka fans? |
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Deadonkey wrote: | Looking for reviews of super high end jackets. Im a bit sick of getting wet.
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What kind of conditions do you ride in? No jacket can be fully waterproof if you ride in extreme rain for, say, 12 hours non-stop, not even the most uber-expensive GoreTexProUltraSuperUberTek. I remember a few reports on this on advrider. Or you can read the reports of those who ride to the Elefantentreffen - pretty much all gear fails in those conditions.
For more “ordinary” conditions, the key is getting something with a 3-layer laminated waterproof (not a removable waterproof layer) membrane. Google 2-layer vs 3-layer goretex or waterproof to get an idea. Note that 3-layer is the lamination process, it has nothing to do with the layers you can add or remove to a jacket.
YMMV, but in my experience I have never noticed any material differences among GoreTex, GorePro, Schoeller’s c-change, Clover’s, Revit’s and Alpinestar’s waterproof membranes, although, TBH, I have never ridden in very extreme rain for more than an hour. Some swear that Gore is better than other brands' own membranes; again, that's not my experience, but YMMV.
Also, waterproof membranes tend to work best when the weather is cold and dry. The more it gets humid and/or warm, the less well these membranes breathe. |
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Posted: 22:10 - 05 Oct 2017 Post subject: Re: Any rukka fans? |
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Londoner2015 wrote: | No jacket can be fully waterproof if you ride in extreme rain for, say, 12 hours non-stop, not even the most uber-expensive GoreTexProUltraSuperUberTek. |
I've ridden all day in alternately misty, light and occasionally heavy rain in full goretex pro shell and got, at most, somewhat damp.
Quote: | YMMV, but in my experience I have never noticed any material differences among GoreTex, GorePro, Schoeller’s c-change, Clover’s, Revit’s and Alpinestar’s waterproof membranes |
The difference is usually less in the membrane than in the quality of the seam taping. Large flat areas are easy to keep waterproof. It's joins, like the shoulders in jackets and the crotch in trousers where quality tells its tale. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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Mmm. Thus the question above. <FazerTard> I ride every day, in every weathers </FazerTard> (albeit only half an hour each way) and while my RST Enduro jacket did last for 7 years of that (worn on coldwet days, i.e. half of them), I eventually couldn't recover the full waterproofing.
Still pretty good value for money, actually, but I reckon the well used Rukka replacement is going to challenge it. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 197 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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