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| M.C wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
Are you telling me cyclists don't get twatted by going kerbside ic cars pulled over to key passengers out?
Fancy a wager on this retard? |
I'm the retard? Show me as you described, a car parked up against the kerb. As Ste says it'll be mainly drivers doors, passenger ones are typically people getting out in traffic etc. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zI0dPGuP2zE |
Show me how a car with people getting out in traffic would NOT be parked up against the kerb.
We can keep going round in circles here, but I've show you several times how even the highway code tells cycles not to overtake on the left.
If it was the driver's door, the cyclist should have normally seen the car park up and be expecting a door to open. Unless of course, the driver parked up, then sat in the car for 10 minutes to wait for the next cyclist to turn up, in order to twat them with his door? Otherwise known as the "Dulwich Reach". 
Cars have 3 passenger doors, 2 of which are on the nearside. If a car is pulling over to drop someone off, chances are they will get out of the kerb or nearside, not into live traffic.
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| mpd72 wrote: | | M.C wrote: | I'm the retard? Show me as you described, a car parked up against the kerb. As Ste says it'll be mainly drivers doors, passenger ones are typically people getting out in traffic etc. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zI0dPGuP2zE |
Show me how a car with people getting out in traffic would NOT be parked up against the kerb.
We can keep going round in circles here, but I've show you several times how even the highway code tells cycles not to overtake on the left.
If it was the driver's door, the cyclist should have normally seen the car park up and be expecting a door to open. Unless of course, the driver parked up, then sat in the car for 10 minutes to wait for the next cyclist to turn up, in order to twat them with his door? Otherwise known as the "Dulwich Reach".
Cars have 3 passenger doors, 2 of which are on the nearside. If a car is pulling over to drop someone off, chances are they will get out of the kerb or nearside, not into live traffic. |
Did you not watch the video? You're trying to blame cyclists for getting taken out by doors flying open, if the cars pulled over properly cyclists aren't stupid and will go around it, if someone's getting out in traffic the above will happen.
| haroman666 wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
Show me how a car with people getting out in traffic would NOT be parked up against the kerb. |
Multiple lanes of traffic waiting for traffic lights...
It has happened to a close family member. |
Happened to a guy I worked with, he was filtering up the middle on his scooter, and the passenger door of a van flew open.
I've nearly been taken out by a drivers door flying open (whilst cycling), it was some fat retard who flung their door wide open, the kinda person who takes 5 minutes getting out the car. I do avoid door zones but you're sometimes 'forced' into them. |
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| M.C wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
Yes, that's the ONE situation where the cyclist could do nothing to stop it. All the other possibilities though.... |
Down narrow side streets cars often fail to stop, so your choice's a head-on crash or to enter the door zone. As mentioned earlier cars often get frustrated with cyclists staying a safe distance from parked cars, I've seen cyclists getting bullied by other road users, and of course you get inexperienced cyclists not aware of the danger.
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Sure, agreed. I always do and am sure many don't.
It's not the only solution though is it? The cyclists are often to blame for not following the rules of the road.
The topic of this thread is about a man who killed a pedestrian because he illegally rode a bike with inadequate ability to stop in an emergency.
You can't blame car drivers for that.
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| M.C wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: | It's not the only solution though is it? The cyclists are often to blame for not following the rules of the road.
The topic of this thread is about a man who killed a pedestrian because he illegally rode a bike with inadequate ability to stop in an emergency.
You can't blame car drivers for that. |
But you can the pedestrian It's the same logic; well you should have avoided it. I'd really love to see the CCTV, that would clear up exactly where the cyclist was when she stepped back into his path, and how much time he had. |
Irrelevant. He had NO EFFING BRAKES. He was riding illegally and was a danger to himself, pedestrians and other road users.
As I've said several times now, try driving a car with no brakes, kill a pedestrian, then try to pin the blame on the pedestrian for stepping out.
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| UnknownStuntman wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: | He had NO EFFING BRAKES. |
We've already illustrated that's not true. |
In the same way that removing all 4 calipers and discs on a car, still means it has brakes because..., erm ......handbrake.
When you're doing 20+ MPH, you can't just suddenly stop the crank from rotating when there's 80+KG's of 20MPH momentum still trying to push the wheel forwards.
Legally he should have had a proper front brake fitted. If he had one, even if he couldn't avoid the accident, he may have scrubbed off enough speed that the pedestrian wasn't killed.
As it was, without any effective braking system fitted, he didn't even attempt to slow down.
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If he had at least one proper brake fitted as the law requires, he had enough time to at least lower the impact speed.
She may have survived.
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If he had at least one proper brake fitted as the law requires, he had enough time to at least lower the impact speed.
She may have survived. |
What's your reaction time? Do you always cover the brakes? |
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With the proviso that this doesn't take into account reaction time:
I'm assured that it's fake news since an expert defence lawyer explained that reality works the way he says that it works, rather than the way that it works.
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| mpd72 wrote: | Legally he should have had a proper front brake fitted. If he had one, even if he couldn't avoid the accident, he may have scrubbed off enough speed that the pedestrian wasn't killed.
As it was, without any effective braking system fitted, he didn't even attempt to slow down. |
Bold for emphasis. You've really blown your load now. Even if he did have one fitted, wouldn't have mattered a jot if he decided not to use it. So whether or not he had a brake (and like I said above and you must have missed...) he had a brake, it had a fixed rear wheel, which is a brake, even if you don't like it, it's true, and you can't argue, but I know you will, but I'm right, and I love this. |
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| Posted: 19:59 - 12 Sep 2017 Post subject: |
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| UnknownStuntman wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: | Legally he should have had a proper front brake fitted. If he had one, even if he couldn't avoid the accident, he may have scrubbed off enough speed that the pedestrian wasn't killed.
As it was, without any effective braking system fitted, he didn't even attempt to slow down. |
Bold for emphasis. You've really blown your load now. Even if he did have one fitted, wouldn't have mattered a jot if he decided not to use it. So whether or not he had a brake (and like I said above and you must have missed...) he had a brake, it had a fixed rear wheel, which is a brake, even if you don't like it, it's true, and you can't argue, but I know you will, but I'm right, and I love this. |
It's not an adequate brake for emergency braking, hence the law requiring a proper front brake.
It would have made a huge difference, he'd have been legal. As for pretending needing a brake would be irrelevant, because he might choose not to use it? What planet are you on?
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