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BMX101 - you can skid for yards and yards if you only use the back brake. Use the front brake and you'll stop before you skid much, if at all. I'd have thought a forum of bikers would know the difference between a front and rear brake and how effective they are. |
They do. But it's irrelevant if you don't attempt to use them at the point at which the danger presents itself. Kiddo attempted a kool kid swerve; it went wrong big time, and he clouted her.
I 'think' mpd's point is that he didn't apply the brakes cos he didn't have any - but that's counter intuitive IMO; any rider who knows his bike (and bear in mind he'd been a cycle courier, so he's done more than a few miles on that fixie would be my bet), if it was real panic stations, would deploy whatever braking they had.
The argument seems to stem from the fact that with proper brakes he could have stopped. I don't disagree with that, but I think with fixie power he could have stopped if he'd not taken the wrong choice in the first place and decided to have a game of chicken.
Whilst this all happened pretty quickly, I reckon it is probably best broken down into two phases.
Phase 1 - Chicken Phase) he sees her, shouts and her, shouts at her a bit more and then decides to swerve around her for kool points.
Phase 2 - Oh Shit Phase) she doesn't predict his move, panics and moves backwards into his path, he applies the braking that he had available which wasn't enough and a big smack occurs.
In Phase 2, at 6 metres or whatever he had to play with, front brake or none he was hitting her regardless. Speed he hit her at of course contested.
In Phase 1, if he's got time to shout at her twice, he's more than likely got time to stop the fixie before he smacks her, or at least got enough time to slow enough so that a fatal clash of heads has less chance to occur.
He played a game of pedestrian chicken and got caught out. Pedestrian played a game of road chicken and got caught out.
Much sad, but I wouldn't propose banning, legislating, holding public inquiries etc as a result of it it. |
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| Posted: 14:48 - 19 Sep 2017 Post subject: |
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| arry wrote: | | angryjonny wrote: |
BMX101 - you can skid for yards and yards if you only use the back brake. Use the front brake and you'll stop before you skid much, if at all. I'd have thought a forum of bikers would know the difference between a front and rear brake and how effective they are. |
They do. But it's irrelevant if you don't attempt to use them at the point at which the danger presents itself. Kiddo attempted a kool kid swerve; it went wrong big time, and he clouted her.
I 'think' mpd's point is that he didn't apply the brakes cos he didn't have any - but that's counter intuitive IMO; any rider who knows his bike (and bear in mind he'd been a cycle courier, so he's done more than a few miles on that fixie would be my bet), if it was real panic stations, would deploy whatever braking they had.
The argument seems to stem from the fact that with proper brakes he could have stopped. I don't disagree with that, but I think with fixie power he could have stopped if he'd not taken the wrong choice in the first place and decided to have a game of chicken.
Whilst this all happened pretty quickly, I reckon it is probably best broken down into two phases.
Phase 1 - Chicken Phase) he sees her, shouts and her, shouts at her a bit more and then decides to swerve around her for kool points.
Phase 2 - Oh Shit Phase) she doesn't predict his move, panics and moves backwards into his path, he applies the braking that he had available which wasn't enough and a big smack occurs.
In Phase 2, at 6 metres or whatever he had to play with, front brake or none he was hitting her regardless. Speed he hit her at of course contested.
In Phase 1, if he's got time to shout at her twice, he's more than likely got time to stop the fixie before he smacks her, or at least got enough time to slow enough so that a fatal clash of heads has less chance to occur.
He played a game of pedestrian chicken and got caught out. Pedestrian played a game of road chicken and got caught out.
Much sad, but I wouldn't propose banning, legislating, holding public inquiries etc as a result of it it. |
He claimed to have skidded as he locked his ineffective piss poor effort of a rear brake, in a futile attempt to lose speed.
Had he had a proper front brake, I suspect he'd have used it. But he was too cool to need proper brakes.
Unfortunately, as a 20 year old in children's prison, I doubt he'll see much of this...
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | M.C wrote: | now you're saying he skidded  |
No, Tarquin said he skidded.
As it turns out, the judge was having none of it, and clearly said so during sentencing.
| M.C wrote: | She killed herself. |
A court in possession of the whole story thinks otherwise.
But what do they know about the law or the facts? |
Hilarious. Remember KTM guy 'accidentally' knocking off Goto...? If we're going to vilify the guy I want see the CCTV, seeing as the husband's bawwing about a law change to crackdown on 'dangerous' cyclists, I think we deserve to see it. I suspect the CCTV shows her in pure lemming mode and it won't be released.
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No, he's saying he skidded, not me.
If you step out in front of a car or motorcycle with no legal brakes, you'd blame the driver for not driving a safe and legal vehicle. Well, most people in the real world away from Bitty would. |
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| mpd72 wrote: | He said he skidded. Proper brakes to the front and he may very well have slowed enough to miss her or not kill her. |
So do you believe he braked or not, or are those two sentences completely unrelated? It's just you went through several pages saying he didn't have any brakes.
And no, in the real world you take responsibility for your own actions, such as stepping out into the road and getting hit. In the modern mumsnet it's always someone else's fault reality (which you seem to have joined) you blame someone else. |
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And no, in the real world you take responsibility for your own actions, such as stepping out into the road and getting hit. In the modern mumsnet it's always someone else's fault reality (which you seem to have joined) you blame someone else. |
Do I think he attempted to brake? Certainly not initially and certainly not as effectively as if he was riding a safe legal bike, even if he tried eventually.
She didn't break any laws BittyBoy. He did then showed no remorse as he blamed here entirely.
Ride or drive a vehicle on the road, abide by the laws in place for the safety of you and others. Ignore the law, don't come bawing. It's a shame it wasn't a HGV which jumped out in front of him and refused to "get out of the fucking way".
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| jnw010 wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: | He killed someone by riding an illegal bike you dick. Think about that for a minute eh? |
Yeah, he was / is a twat. There isn't much argument on that score.
But you've been talking about setting up the Bicycle Special Response Force Militia that'll gulag anyone without a registration plate, monthly MOT and £50trn insurance cover.
Anyway, if you were about to cross the road and some twat on a bicycle shouted that he was coming through would you still step in front of them or would stay on the pavement and call them a cnt as they flew recklessly past? |
No, that's not really what I want. The point I'm making is that the laws are already out there (if a bit thin on the ground for cyclists), but are generally being ignored by cyclists.
The question is why? A lot of traffic law is enforced now by camera, something cyclists are immune to, because their cycles carry no required registration. I just think if cyclists could be found and held responsible for their own actions, that many more would abide by the rules of the road and legal requirements.
I see far more adults riding on pavements, at night with no lights now than I've ever done before. There are no beat bobbies anymore to ball them off. My town has doubled in size in the last 30 years and in the process lost it's police station.
If we're not going to police this with officers on the ground, then it must be policed like we do with other vehicles.
I see this as a growing problem, no matter how much the cycling lobbies like to fudge the figures. We've had more pedestrian deaths reported on this thread than the cycling malitia are admitting to in a year.
Pissed on a moped could equal prison time or a ban. What's the equivalent for rising a cycle pissed? Torn up cycling proficiency test? There's not enough deterrent and 70-100KG of rider on a cycle can cause serious injury or death as we've seen in this thread.
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| mpd72 wrote: | The point I'm making is that the laws are already out there (if a bit thin on the ground for cyclists), but are generally being ignored by cyclists. |
Bull. You have documented evidence of one cyclist who ignored law. There is no more evidence to support either side of this.
| mpd72 wrote: | The question is why? A lot of traffic law is enforced now by camera, something cyclists are immune to, because their cycles carry no required registration. I just think if cyclists could be found and held responsible for their own actions, that many more would abide by the rules of the road and legal requirements. |
More bull. You've made up something to justify your inner rage against people who do something you don't like, because they're 'getting away with it'. Fact is, people who flout these already existing laws will continue to flout any new ones. And even if they didn't you'd get a Tarquin who would not have used his brake even if he had one.
| mpd72 wrote: | I see far more adults riding on pavements, at night with no lights now than I've ever done before. There are no beat bobbies anymore to ball them off. My town has doubled in size in the last 30 years and in the process lost it's police station. |
I've seen more crocodlie attacks now than ever before and I've also noticed Danone have been advertising a change in the formula for their Raspberry Yoghurts. Makes you think, doesn't it.
And, how do you know it's not a shared use cycle / ped path? Sure of it, every time are you? How about the ones who cycle on the path because they're been bullied off the road by some flangehowler 2 minutes before up the road, hey? You know nothing.
| mpd72 wrote: | Pissed on a moped could equal prison time or a ban. What's the equivalent for rising a cycle pissed? |
What's the equivalent for not getting caught while being pissed on a moped. That's you're challenge figure. There are people who do this and don't get caught now, so what makes you think that putting number plates on bicycles will stop people getting pissed and using them?
| mpd72 wrote: | 70-100KG of rider on a cycle can cause serious injury or death |
Agreed. Adding a number plate would do ZERO to stop this, it's physics. |
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Tedious circles. I've ridden a motorbike without a rear brake and (separately) with bent levers meaning I didn't have the full braking force. A Blade on an A2 license is illegal so why make the distinction? Imagine the headline, biker kills pedestrian on bike 3 times more powerful than he was allowed to ride.
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