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PostPosted: 08:59 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Handing in notice Reply with quote

Not sure how to approach this. Whenever I've applied for jobs in the past I've always had to give a months notice which I think is pretty much the norm for a full time permanent job.
However I've just discovered in my current contract, because I've now been here for more than 2 years, I have to give 2 months notice.

a) Is this likely to affect my chance of getting a new job? As in, new employers won't be bothered to wait that long and will look at other applicants with a shorter notice period instead?

b) If I decided I only wanted to give 1 months notice (or even less), would I likely just be docked my last month or 2's wages or could they take me to court and sue for a lot more?


I would ask my HR dept to clarify and see what they say, but my bosses wife works there and I don't really want him knowing I'm looking round at this stage! Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to becoming the norm now to have increased notice periods (it certainly is where i work, it's currently up to 3 months now for new starters)

But as you say, usually worst case is that you would lose a months pay, but as you will be starting your new job a month earlier you will get paid from that one too

Other option is to use whatever accrued holidays you have and subtract them from the 2 month period
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really depends upon your company, and your position in it. I'm on three months notice, for example, and recruiting people for my level you expect that kind of notice period before they can join us.

When leaving, the company can make you serve your notice, put you on garden leave (still employed but don't turn up unless requested to and lose access to all company IT) or agree an earlier leaving date. Garden leave tends to be used for those who are going to a competitor so they lose touch with current strategy etc.

I don't really know about sanctions if you leave early; whilst I may not be loyal to a company I'm generally loyal to people and work in small industries where it is better not to upset individuals as you're likely to work with them again one way or another - personal reputation matters then.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:

But as you say, usually worst case is that you would lose a months pay, but as you will be starting your new job a month earlier you will get paid from that one too

Other option is to use whatever accrued holidays you have and subtract them from the 2 month period


My company would have me in court faster than I could say Legal Rapage. It all depends on the circumstances and whether you're going to a competitor etc.

You can't assume on the holidays piece either. You're still under contract even when you're on holiday. The company have to agree to release you early and pay your holiday, but it's not a certainty.

OP needs to negotiate once he's got a firm offer on table. Most employers will understand and indeed respect the fact you're loyal to your notice period.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends what industry you are in. Normally longer notice periods are for more senior positions and as such, if a new employer is not willing to wait an extra month or two because you have a longer notice period, then that probably isn't somewhere you would want to work.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
My company would have me in court faster than I could say Legal Rapage.

How would they quantify their loss from your breach of contract?

For most people it's not an issue and there's no realistic prospect of them taking any action beyond bad-mouthing you off the record. Just keep smiling and don't burn any bridges.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

My notice period was 3 months as well, and is again now at my new place. I did meet up with a former colleague, who tried to leave earlier than the full length of his notice, and he was told in no uncertain terms, it's would go to court if he did !

So, to be fair, be thankful you only have a 1 month notice period !
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only time i have know for this to be a thing is when my account manager moved from one channel partner to another.

He contacted me one day using some generic email account telling me he had moved to a different company and would i put all my sales via some different chap at the new firm until his garden leave was over.

the original reseller called me and made all sorts of noise.
They even called the MD at the firm to suggest all our licenses and products would become void if we did not stay with them.

at that point it became a matter of being a stubborn bastard to move every single sale/renewal to the new reseller.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the company you're interviewing for really wants you then they will wait for you.

Alarm bells always start ringing when they start asking questions like can you start tomorrow it usually means they're in a bad way and desperately understaffed.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
Hi

My notice period was 3 months as well, and is again now at my new place. I did meet up with a former colleague, who tried to leave earlier than the full length of his notice, and he was told in no uncertain terms, it's would go to court if he did !

So, to be fair, be thankful you only have a '2' month notice period !


Altered that for you Very Happy .

I work in IT as an Analyst, I'm classed in the lowest management bracket (not been in a management bracket before - maybe that's why I'm now on a 2 months notice period) but it's such a dead end position with no real career opportunities unless I want to move to the opposite end of the country where the head office is - which I don't.
There are positions I've seen around I could apply for with more money and hopefully better prospects, and as has been mentioned I can negotiate my notice period once I get an offer.
Thanks for the tips Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
he was told in no uncertain terms, it's would go to court if he did !

Then they must have been very certain that they could quantify their loss.

Lots of talk of this, very few actual cases of which I'm aware.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
linuxyeti wrote:
he was told in no uncertain terms, it's would go to court if he did !

Then they must have been very certain that they could quantify their loss.

Lots of talk of this, very few actual cases of which I'm aware.


Difference in exact circumstances because some (most) include breach of restrictive covenant - but my lot seem to always be dragging someone over the coals.

Last high profile one ended with a multi million quid settlement reached which the new employer paid.

Guess it depends on the level you're going in at. I know I wouldn't so much as chance breaching my contract - there's a reason our senior counsel owns a McLaren F1. Nice bloke, but viscous bastard.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most restrictive covenants aren't worth the paper they're written on.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Most restrictive covenants aren't worth the paper they're written on.


I still wouldn't want to test the theory. I have a feeling I'll run out of defence slush fund before they do.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the company. Be honest about your notice period with any potential new employer, as they'll usually understand you have such a long notice period for a reason, and that may be the reason they want you (ie: management). Then if you can negotiate an earlier release with your old workplace do so.

I put my notice in at work weeks ago. I have a 2 month notice period, but I agreed to stay on longer so that I can get the extra cash, as I'm off to University. We're still trying to find my replacement...
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Most restrictive covenants aren't worth the paper they're written on.


I still wouldn't want to test the theory. I have a feeling I'll run out of defence slush fund before they do.


And there you have the big problem if it goes to court.

I was always on 3 month's notice plus, when I was sent on some very expensive training courses I had to agree to staying at least a year.

In the end it's always better to part on amicable terms than to burn your bridges.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the NHS, I'd have to give a month's notice but it increases the higher up the pay scale you are. IIRC for a Band 8 (senior manager level) it's 3 months. We've had applicants for new jobs who've had to work 3 months' notice and it has just been accepted as part and parcel of the faff that goes with staff turnover.

From the employers point of view, I've never heard anyone complain that they can't start a new employee for a month. That said, it is considered very bad form to not work a notice period, unless you have been such a thorn in their side that they're glad to have you out sooner and that is mutually agreed upon.

Lastly, lots of leavers from my organisation only end up working half of their notice period, as they take any leftover annual leave at the end of their post.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baffler186 wrote:

Lastly, lots of leavers from my organisation only end up working half of their notice period, as they take any leftover annual leave at the end of their post.


As said though, whilst on holiday you're still in the employ of the company you're working your notice for. Working it, and seeing the notice period out, are often two different things.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Baffler186 wrote:

Lastly, lots of leavers from my organisation only end up working half of their notice period, as they take any leftover annual leave at the end of their post.


As said though, whilst on holiday you're still in the employ of the company you're working your notice for. Working it, and seeing the notice period out, are often two different things.


Recently had a few people leave who had taken more holiday than they had accrued which meant that they owed the company which then came out of their final pay.

Never had the fortune or being put on garden leave, always made me work my notice in full, in fact the last place offered to pay out my leftover leave instead of me taking it Surprised
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Difference in exact circumstances because some (most) include breach of restrictive covenant

Your value is likely to be more about who you know than what you know, right? The relationships you've built with the various ghouls and hyenas that make up the insurance industry (yourself excepted).

That's not much of a consideration for most sector 7G drones. I'm on 3 months notice, of which I take no notice, any more than the contractual term that prohibits me blabbing company secrets including my "know how". Yes, they actually tried to sneak that into the middle of a paragraph, to much amusement.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

tell doctor you are not sleeping and unhappy

get three months off with stress

start new job at same time Shocked
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

But when you finish your sick leave period, you would have to still work your notice would you not?

It might work, if you were a pain in the arse and seen living it up in pubs/clubs every week by your employers staff. But even then getting them to do instant dismissal for just having time off sick that they accuse you of false sick leave, is unlikely and probably would have to go to disciplinary or not even that if they didn't have sufficient proof or evidence.

You could try saying your too ill to ever come back to work, but again instant dismissal would be extremely unlikely for that approach too.

You'd have to commit gross misconduct, or breech competition or trading regulations, or be involved in bribery or taking benefits to influence a contract etc most likely to get to an instant dismissal from the company. Any of that or just get caught looking at under age porn should do it.

Trouble is with all the above its likely to harm your future prospects with a new employer, or have you struck off or banned from working in certain industries etc.
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used unused annual leave before, works for the company as they'll have to pay you for unused holiday anyway, although I suppose it depends when in the year you try to do it.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the answer to the original question depends on where you're applying.

NHS as mentioned aren't going to be fussed as they're huge and can accommodate any requirements.
My company is quite small (<50 people) and generally want things done yesterday so you'd have to be an outstanding candidate to justify the wait.

Best thing to do is get applying and just ask in the interview if the notice period will pose a problem.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 18 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
I think the answer to the original question depends on where you're applying.

NHS as mentioned aren't going to be fussed as they're huge and can accommodate any requirements.
My company is quite small (<50 people) and generally want things done yesterday so you'd have to be an outstanding candidate to justify the wait.

Best thing to do is get applying and just ask in the interview if the notice period will pose a problem.


You try being a doctor/nurse/paramedic/physio/other health professional and getting approved from annual leave in december....

i think you'll find with the NHS its down to service demand and december is a f*cking nightmare!
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