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Sneezes are possibly due to the level of histamine, particularly in red wine. I can't drink the stuff any more because it gives me hayfever symptoms, which is quite common apparently...
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Why not just not drink?
Radical concept I know, but you are still allowed out in public and your body will thank you 
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| asta1 wrote: | Ah, Wine. Forgot about that.
Yup, don't know much about wine, but I understand sulphites are potentially pretty high in some cases, especially with reds. The lab at work uses ion chromatography to test for them, which isn't exactly a quick and dirty test for a night out. |
Pshaw, a full column, end to end shouldn't take more than an hour unless you are a)incompetant, b)lazy or c) running it with a hand bellows because the seperations are shit.
In fact, a moment of looking claims it's doable in 15 minutes (including characterisation)!. Admittedly, running one on every drink before downing may slow things down somewhat 
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| Ribenapigeon wrote: | Thing is I bought a very nice Rioja from Sainsbury's that was £18 but got a stinking headache. So that's what made me wonder about the whole sulphite thing. |
Most wines sold have sulphites, even fine wines. I don't think sulphites are the problem. I've gotten bad headaches from a glass or two, up to the point of completely debilitating hangovers from no more than 5 or so glasses of cheap wine. But then I can have four or more glasses of fine wine and not suffer at all.
Good wine is really hard to find in supermarkets. It might taste OK (particularly when you've started on it, and have nothing to compare it to so your taste isn't calibrated), but both my GF and I agree that the real tell is how you feel the next day, or sometimes just an hour or two. The only things I've had that are acceptable from a supermarket were from Waitrose Cellar and from Morrison's Fine Wine selection that they started a year or so ago.
I love good wine, but I don't drink it very often because good wine is expensive. Perhaps 4 bottles a month, more often on holiday or around celebrations. I use wine tastings at wine shops, and wine pairings at restaurants to figure out what wine to buy. Some restaurants have excellent wine buyers and you learn to trust their entire menu; others focus on the taste of pairings, and the wine is only average unless you're having specific food with it.
I spend between £45 and £120 per bottle at a restaurant (average around £70), and average about £50 per bottle retail. It's a real crapshoot buying unknown wine at a restaurant because they're such a big markup item and if the restaurant doesn't have a good buyer, it'll be overpriced and mediocre. But I won't hesitate spending over £100 on a bottle (restaurant or retail) if I know it's good, i.e. I've tasted it before.
I've never had a bad hangover from French fine wine. I define a bad hangover proportional to how much I've drunk: any headache from two glasses or fewer is bad, or any nausea from 6 glasses or fewer. I would not drink more than 6 full glasses (a bottle and a half of wine) - I usually try and keep it to three, two from the main bottle and one starter or dessert.
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Most wines sold have sulphites, even fine wines. I don't think sulphites are the problem. I've gotten bad headaches from a glass or two, up to the point of completely debilitating hangovers from no more than 5 or so glasses of cheap wine. But then I can have four or more glasses of fine wine and not suffer at all.
I've never had a bad hangover from French fine wine. I define a bad hangover proportional to how much I've drunk: any headache from two glasses or fewer is bad, or any nausea from 6 glasses or fewer. I would not drink more than 6 full glasses (a bottle and a half of wine) - I usually try and keep it to three, two from the main bottle and one starter or dessert. |
Interesting. This flies in the face of most of my own findings, and recieved wisdom within the brewing industry at least. Now my opinion is no more statistically valid than yours but, my experience is generally complexity in a beverage = hangover.
Complexity/ character is generally caused by higher alcohols, phenols,esters and tannins (in wine at least) all of which are harder and slower to metabolise than ethanol. Therefore, these things provide shorter onset, lingering and powerful hangovers. Fom this perspective, fine red wine is about the worst possible thing to drink. All the character that people enjoy is going to lead directly to next morning misery. I've generally found this myself; light lagers tend to lead to less hangover than ales/stouts, even at similar abvs. Ditto for spirits, 'clean' spirits such as gin or vodka give me much less trouble than whisky or rum if drunk in similar quantities.
As for wine, I've no head for it. I've drunk some extremely good wine in a very irresponsible fashion (my father loves the stuff, I had a house key and teenage me was a complete c**t), and some truly terrible wines at uni, all of it gives me a stinking hangover.
Seems to me that the this is one of those situtations where correlation//causation. You drink fine wines slowly, often with water, with food and in times when your general mental state is positive, hence less hangover.
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| asta1 wrote: | Interesting. This flies in the face of most of my own findings, and recieved wisdom within the brewing industry at least. Now my opinion is no more statistically valid than yours but, my experience is generally complexity in a beverage = hangover. |
My worst hangovers have come from mixing different drinks, sometimes but not always including cheap restaurant wine.
| Quote: | Complexity/ character is generally caused by higher alcohols, phenols,esters and tannins (in wine at least) all of which are harder and slower to metabolise than ethanol. Therefore, these things provide shorter onset, lingering and powerful hangovers. |
If I did get a bad headache from a couple of glasses of fine wine, this would be a wonderful explanation - but I don't! In fact, just the other day, I had about half a glass of a cheap Gewurztraminer (normally excellent with cheeses) that we bought as a starter / warmup to a Cote-Rotie red for a raclette evening with friends, but ended up not drinking and opened it up to have with pizza. Started getting a mild headache barely a couple of hours after drinking! I can't accuse added sugar, because then surely my usual pizza-accompaniment of Coke would be worse?
| Quote: | Fom this perspective, fine red wine is about the worst possible thing to drink. |
I'd go further - this explanation would probably put vintage or 40+ tawny ports, madeira etc. in the worst category, but I'm a big fan of fortified wines and have made no association with bad times from them at all.
| Quote: | You drink fine wines slowly, often with water, with food and in times when your general mental state is positive, hence less hangover. |
Oh indeed, I don't drink wine to get drunk. Some wines need food otherwise they're lopsided - they're made to complement something - but others are simply too good, it's hard to find food that they wouldn't outclass. I bought 6 half-bottles of 2012 Domaine Jamet Cote-Rotie (igniting a passion for Cote-Rotie) after having gotten a sip from a table-neighbour in Paris - it's almost impossible to pair with food because it's too dominant. Every sip is so bursting with flavour, yet so balanced, it's a treat just to have on its own. The chaps in Paris were sharing a half-bottle between two after dinner, as a dessert. Having that on its own hasn't lead to trouble either.
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