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BMWs are shite.
Paint fell off my K1300 14500 (Just out of BMW warranty) Four bikes I have had so I got absolutely Zero goodwill from the fuckers.
Sump of my S1000RR disintegrated at 5500 miles.
The ABS Module on the first R1200GS I had catastrophically failed at about 15000.
So in a word yes they are so reliable.
I think most folk who can afford them don't 'reeeeally' use them much.
My next bike will be a Hardly Dae-anything as they seem to spend most of their Outings on the way to the shop or an the way back.
My goodwill is to not use dealers except for essential BMW parts.
They get fuck all service work off me now where I did help keep their lights on during the times when most BMW owners are sat in front of their fire. (Not the 90º Drive Fire.) ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Mine's on 60-odd thousand miles which is the longest lived commuting bike I have ever had. There are good and bad points to them but I think the biggest angst comes from he fact that they cost so much but the quality isn't better enough to warrant it. You can't bitch about peeling paint on a 4-grand-new Suzuki but you don't expect it on a BMW costing 3 times as much even though there's probably little you can do for any bike ridden through winter to stop the finish going off. That said, I love mine and I'll be sorry to have to stop riding it when the new LEZ charge kicks in.
If anything I think that a lot of their 'problems' stem from being 'over engineered' in so much that stuff needs a more exacting adjustment than your typical Jap bike. One example is the rear paralever bearings. They require quite exacting torque to avoid premature failure (plus they are bloody expensive) but people still do them up like a Scammell wheel nut.
Another thing about them is that they are seemingly so low-maintenance that they are susceptible to neglected servicing. By the time something goes wrong you might find that you've gone past 2 or 3 servicing schedules. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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My F800gs seems bulletproof so far. ____________________ Honda CBR600F6 |
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BMW's got a reputation for reliability and build quality when they were air cooled lumps that went forever. My father did 150k+ on an R100RS before having the engine rebuilt (and new clocks cos they'd packed up). I believe it's still out there somewhere having sold it a few years ago.
The reliability continued into the early oilheads and then they went all techno crazy and things started going wrong.
Lighter, more powerful, what were they thinking!
Solid, strong, dependable with odd ball character went out the window and was replaced with expensive fancyness and breakdowns/death kill.
Fcks sake. I sound like Teff. |
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Pete. wrote: | Mine's on 60-odd thousand miles which is the longest lived commuting bike I have ever had. There are good and bad points to them but I think the biggest angst comes from he fact that they cost so much but the quality isn't better enough to warrant it. You can't bitch about peeling paint on a 4-grand-new Suzuki but you don't expect it on a BMW costing 3 times as much even though there's probably little you can do for any bike ridden through winter to stop the finish going off. That said, I love mine and I'll be sorry to have to stop riding it when the new LEZ charge kicks in.
If anything I think that a lot of their 'problems' stem from being 'over engineered' in so much that stuff needs a more exacting adjustment than your typical Jap bike. One example is the rear paralever bearings. They require quite exacting torque to avoid premature failure (plus they are bloody expensive) but people still do them up like a Scammell wheel nut.
Another thing about them is that they are seemingly so low-maintenance that they are susceptible to neglected servicing. By the time something goes wrong you might find that you've gone past 2 or 3 servicing schedules. |
The deal with the flaking paint is blamed on several things.
BMW Officially told me I was 'using the wrong shampoo'.
Fcuking idiots.
I have bleated at great length about the problems and it is down right absurd that the build quality is the issue but BMW refuse to admit that.
Pulling one of the service cuntsultants over his counter would have been my most satisfying outcome.
If I ever see him in the pub I will glass the fat bastirt.
Name of the idiots have not been changed.
"Dear Mr MCN
Thank you for your email dated July 29, 2014. I am sorry to learn about the flaking paint on the engine of your BMW K 1300 GT. I can certainly appreciate your cause for concern regarding this issue.
Although modern paints and treatments are durable and resistant to many external hazards, they cannot reasonably be expected to be totally resistant to all. I am sure you will appreciate those external factors such as cleaning products can have an extremely corrosive effect and should be BMW approved. I am sure you will understand that, exposure to the elements and variable heat changes contribute to surface attrition. Whilst it is an unfortunate occurrence, it cannot be fully eliminated.
I note that, prior to my response you had an opportunity to raise your concern with my colleague, Ms Sian Smedley, Customer Service Executive. It is my understanding that Ms Smedley has been dealing with your complaint and has been unable to contact you; however she has discussed your concerns with Mr Scott Mackintosh, Service Advisor at Douglas Park Motorrad. Mr Mackintosh advised her that this issue is not covered by warranty and may have been caused by the type of cleaning products you have used.
I can confirm that, BMW UK operates a generous goodwill policy compared with many other vehicle manufacturers as we have confidence in the quality of our products. All goodwill gestures are based on the age of the vehicle, mileage, service history and type of defect. Your motorcycle falls outside our goodwill parameters due to the type of defect.
I would like to assure you that your complaint has been taken seriously and details of your email have been duly noted under case reference number 1-20141489112. Feedback is an important factor when we review our products and services.
Thank you for taking the time to contact BMW UK. I recognise that this may not be the response you anticipated; should you however have any additional queries, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Yours sincerely
BMW UK
Mandy Mahon
Customer Service Executive
Ellesfield Avenue
Bracknell RG12 8TA "
The issue with the paint is due to a cheap manufacturing process.
Cast.
Paint.
Mill jointing faces of castings (breaking through any paint in the process.)
Assemble using a jointing compound.
Fit in bike and sell.
If the units were painted after assembly then corrosion would not creep under the paint at the un-painted joints.
That is where all the corrosion and paint flaking starts from. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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That is a very German thing to do, deny, deny, deny, compensate, deny again. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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RhynoCZ wrote: |
That is a very German thing to do, deny, deny, deny, compensate, deny again. |
You mean, Nein nein nein nein nein nein nein. Ja?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6BrnQ6LE4g ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Pretty much, look at all the scandals around German automotive industry. Some stuff never even acknowledged by the manufacturers, even after they got caught. The VW emmisions thing, now the cartel of BMW, VW and Daimler AG, then the infamous biodegradeable wiring harnesses of every single Mercedes-Benz from the 1992 to 1996 and the rust issues after failing to implement new water based paint job technology... and there's much more we, peasants, don't even know about, yet.
The other funny bit is, they would claim very vigorously, that what ever is wrong with your motorcycle/car, it is probably your fault or an unfortunate coincidents of a few factors, that they couldn't predict. I mean, who would have thought BMW motorcycle owners would want to clean their machines with water and soap. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Posted: 19:17 - 30 Aug 2017 Post subject: Re: BMW |
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choogh wrote: | Why are there none, or almost no posting regarding BMW workshop requests??
Are they THAT good 😱😂 |
No they do break down from time to time, my oldest R100RS wanted a new driveshaft after only 398.000km,( i have heard rumours the paralevers never last that long) at 399k the speedometer died, mileage now +455k.
Mostly they need rebore and bearings after every 200k, ignition lock and steering bearing the same. Gearboxes might be the bigger problem soloriding about 150k sidecar max 100K ____________________ BMW: R50/5 R80GS R90/6+sidecar R90S R100RS R100RS+s.c K100RT+s.c K1100RS IFA: RT125/2 DKW: RT125/3 MZ: ES150/1 TS250/1+s.c ETZ250A ETZ250+s.c Kawasaki: GPZ750
Once had: R51/3, CB350four, CB350K4,XS1100 XS1100S+s.c,XT250, XV500, Z550, GT550triple, TS150/1, TS250, ETZ251 saxon tour |
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I've had a R100RT that I rode all over the country. It had the usual wear and tear items, i.e. a clutch, wheel bearings, caliper seals and the like but was otherwise very reliable and surprisingly nimble. My OH had an R65 which was as solid as can be. I currently own a R850R which is proving just as reliable overall.
I like boxer engines and the simple engineering in these bikes. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 240 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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