Security chains

[Petemate]

Gonna pop down to my local dealer tomorrow to check out these but meanwhile can anyone advise the approx diameter of chains including the protective sleeve? Sussing out various wall anchors which have many different aperture sizes for aforementioned chains to pass through.
TIA
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82 not out....1983 Honda LA250 Custom
2008 Saab 9-3 1.9 Tid 150 Vector Sport estate
2005 Stirling Eccles Topaz 2-berth

[MCN]

Min Link Diameter needs to be 16mm to help stop Bolt cropers getting a bite.
And the hardening has to be fit for purpose too.

Pragmasis is the only system I would use if i was looking for a chain or floor anchor.

They ave a very good video for their products if you google pragmasis

https://securityforbikes.com/

Don't waste time and money with the shite they sell in shops. (unless it's Pragmasis. )
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Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN.

[P.]

Almax and pragmasis are the only choices. Nothing from a shop.

[notbike]

Everything that isn't Almax or Pragmasis is as useful as warm butter.

[NJD]

As above. Use the link MCN provides and purchase a chain and lock package and then a ground anchor. IIRC the website says what sizes work with what anchor.

Limiting factor will be what chain you can get through the frame of your bike or wheel (or, at best, both). I'd eye that up before going the biggest you can afford as no point getting something you can't use.

Decide if you need something for at home and out and about or a two in one. 13 mm is light and ideal for travelling but doesn't offer as much protection as a 16 mm. 16 mm 2.0 m (the ideal length you'd want for out and about) comes in at just under 10 kg (for the chain and padlock alone) and so isn't light by any means. You could get away with a fairly lengthy 13 mm (2.0 m) for not very much weight.

Wouldn't trust shop products. Sure I've used them but came to my senses long ago because advice on here.

Pragmasis give email updates and fast delivery. You could have it by Saturday if ordered tomorrow I'd say. Very well recommended company.
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[Rogerborg]

[MCN]

[el_oso]

If you go by Rogerborg's thread, the Oxford Monster (iirc) got near the top in terms of price/performance.

What I'd be looking for is something on that list that isn't crop-able, and chaining it to something that also is difficult to move and pairing it with a disk lock with a pin. That way they've got to come with an angle grinder if they want to ride it away, or an anvil and van to defeat the chain and disk lock. I've pretty much reserved the idea that if they come armed with an angle grinder they are going to get what they came for.

The differences between a super expensive chain and a similar cheaper chain that can't be cropped is in the order of seconds when it comes to angle grinders. I'd rather spend the extra dollares on multiple things to defeat. Just my 2pence
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Car: Jeep Wrangler 4.0L

[Rogerborg]

[AshWebster]

Best security for a bike - don't live in london
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[TbirdX]

Buy yourself a portable angle grinder, when you park up, lock yours with any old chain and then cut the chains off the bikes either side of yours.

It's all about making yours less attractive because if they want it, they'll get it.
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[el_oso]

[Petemate]

Many thanks everyone for all the info, very interesting reading. In the event, I will settle on standard (el cheapo) stuff. My bike, although probably woth stealing for a scroat to ride round on, is not exactly the modern 'attractive' bike with much cred to it. Also we live on a busy main road in a relatively crime-free area, and any noise whatever would bring out not only myself and my adult son, there are very able neighbours. I just want to chain up the bike for the occasional outside parking; it spends most of its time in our rear yard out of sight.
Thanks again for all the input.
Pete
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82 not out....1983 Honda LA250 Custom
2008 Saab 9-3 1.9 Tid 150 Vector Sport estate
2005 Stirling Eccles Topaz 2-berth

[MCN]

[st3v3]

[Ste]

A decent Almax or Pragmasis (or Squire as well now it seems ) chain with an appropriate padlock is an investment.

Having el cheapo shitty security makes your bike very attractive to scummy thieves.

[Petemate]

OK, thanks everyone. Points noted, and a change of circumstances (money involved of course lol) means that instead of getting the afore-proposed security chain etc for my birthday, I will be parking the bike round the back as previously and my OH will be purchasing me a new chain and sprocket kit instead. (present set on its last legs)
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82 not out....1983 Honda LA250 Custom
2008 Saab 9-3 1.9 Tid 150 Vector Sport estate
2005 Stirling Eccles Topaz 2-berth

[Musketeer]

Keeping your bike out of sight is probably better than any motorcycle chain imho.
I use Almax with 2 padlocks.. one Squire and the other one I dont remember but it's big, silver and from Finland I also use disc lock.

Apparently over 50% of motorcycle theft happens in London so not living there is good too

I watched a few videos about motorcycle theft in London and in every single video I saw thieves on scooters using angle grinders. They didn't even care about noise (also from alarm) and people nearby... actually people passing by were just ignoring what was happening.
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[Petemate]