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PostPosted: 17:16 - 06 Sep 2017    Post subject: Build A Site? Reply with quote

How many on here still dabble with websites?

I aimed to get one done a long while ago but life gets in the way and i've realized it's not happening Rolling Eyes Laughing so I've saved up some pennies and this week have put an ad up on Freelancer.com where the bids are averaging £550; but haven't actually used it before and i'm not sure how confident I am about it all.

I wanted to check if anyone here would be interested in doing it?

I basically need something halfway between Gumtree and Ebay to start off with, including social media / payment options, also a separate area for advertising.
Other stuff will be needed eventually but for the moment getting it going is the biggest hurdle.

(I currently have no hosting or server options, have domains and emails).

Would rather do a deal with a BCFer than a randomer halfway across the world.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 06 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends if you want something built from scratch or if it's a just a wordpress + ecommerce platform type deal, if it's the former then £550 is nowhere near enough, if it's the latter do it yourself, it's not that difficult.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=320177

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=319452
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 06 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

vice wrote:
It depends if you want something built from scratch or if it's a just a wordpress + ecommerce platform type deal, if it's the former then £550 is nowhere near enough, if it's the latter do it yourself, it's not that difficult.
No offence, but I know what my limits are and I know how long I've been dreading dealing with this - it is that difficult for me.

As for the price, £550 is what I have so far had bids of for the job, so obviously it is for those people - here it might not be. Karma
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 06 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

That price will be template customisation and ecommerce platform integration, custom builds will run a lot higher than that. Hopefully you can find someone decent Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 06 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can set up a nice looking site with little to no skill, with the whistles and bells you need with Wix. There's different monthly fees, depending on different packages, but all very reasonable. As your traffic grows, they're small overheads.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 06 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

£550 for something between ebay and gumtree? You have got to be joking?

You're going to get a piece of shit by some Indian web development company for that money.

I'll do you a logo for £550 Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:21 - 07 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

£550 is certainly on the low side for what you're asking for.

Do be cautious of anyone that accepts a build of that scale for that value.

Also be aware that if you're to be doing nay form of ecommerce it'll be you that's ultimately responsible for GDPR and PCI Compliance.
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 07 Sep 2017    Post subject: Re: Build A Site? Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:


I basically need something halfway between Gumtree and Ebay to start off with, including social media / payment options, also a separate area for advertising.


Call it eByGum...
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 07 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have to agree with Jay here. If anyone could get an ebay/gumtree website built for £550 it's going to be a theme and won't have all the functionality that you are after.

A decent dev charges that a day, that isn't even including a UX designer, copywriter and all your hosting charges.

If someone came to me with that request I'd be quoting £10k at a minimum.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 07 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will get nothing remotely close to Ebay or Gumtree, £550 is pocket money for a developer.

But no, please go ahead and post what Patel comes up for you - let's hope he does the needful.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 07 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd had a site half built once before, but the guy had other stuff on and it couldn't get finished.

Pretty much this template (which I was happy to start from):

https://a.fsdn.com/con/app/proj/openauto/screenshots/162800.jpg/1

No, I'm not joking with the price; that is just what was bid - but since I have no idea what the marketplace is like it's good to get this feedback.

So I need to go away and find 10K to get this off the ground?
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 07 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ looks shit. HTH Smile
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 07 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beggars can't be choosers. Karma
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 07 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the term is you get what you pay for, why exactly does the world need ebygum?
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 07 Sep 2017    Post subject: Re: Build A Site? Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
have put an ad up on Freelancer.com where the bids are averaging £550; but haven't actually used it before and i'm not sure how confident I am about it all.

I wanted to check if anyone here would be interested in doing it?

Link to your ad?
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 08 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

£550 for an ecommerce site?

They'll be making the profit scamming copies of all your purchasers credentials and then you having to take the fall for it..


But that's just an optimistic outlook.


Or am I just scamist?



Seriously – there's questions to be asked with such a low quote. I feel they'll start the work and not deliver "sorry, I got a better paying gig" but take your money anyway.

If people are legitimately offering to do Ebuygum for that small amount they must be desperate for the cash. o.o
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 09 Sep 2017    Post subject: Re: Build A Site? Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

Link to your ad?
Clicky
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 12 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

vice wrote:
It depends if you want something built from scratch or if it's a just a wordpress + ecommerce platform type deal, if it's the former then £550 is nowhere near enough, if it's the latter do it yourself, it's not that difficult.
I've seen today a site that wasn't a bad base, went to look up whodunnit and saw powered by wordpress Laughing Rolling Eyes Laughing so it looks like i'm going to have to eat my words, put my patience cap on and check this out.

Do we have any WP gurus around the place?
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 13 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
vice wrote:
It depends if you want something built from scratch or if it's a just a wordpress + ecommerce platform type deal, if it's the former then £550 is nowhere near enough, if it's the latter do it yourself, it's not that difficult.
I've seen today a site that wasn't a bad base, went to look up whodunnit and saw powered by wordpress Laughing Rolling Eyes Laughing so it looks like i'm going to have to eat my words, put my patience cap on and check this out.

Do we have any WP gurus around the place?


If you already have an understanding of html, css & php, it's not too hard to figure out how to do your own custom WordPress theme.

I had to do it as the first big task at my job.

I hated them for it a bit.. but I learned loads. And it turns out it was actually really easy. WordPress has a fantastic community and.. that doodad.. database.. thing.. that contains information..

Yeah. Anyway. Have fun Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 13 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could probably build you website, it you want it to look like 1995

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PostPosted: 11:47 - 14 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something between Gumtree/Autotrader/eBay? What kind of specification is that? Laughing
These are companies that spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pounds a year on internal software development, building, testing and compliance.

And you think someone is going to come along and do it for, comparatively, pennies?

Those people saying they fully understand your requirements will be taking your money, giving you hardly anything in return, and then ou'll never hear from them again.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 16 Sep 2017    Post subject: Re: Build A Site? Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
Ste wrote:

Link to your ad?
Clicky


I'm not surprised by the Indians but this guy...

https://i.imgur.com/NAuGSVm.png

A full stack UK / London based developer? Either he's desperate for work or he one of those that sees your budget as a kind of 'starting price' and ends up quoting you 20 times that after trying to talk you around.

£10,000 would get you going... £25k would probably be more realistic.

Riddle me this though, you just spent 10 - 25k on your site, now what? You expecting the users to flock in the masses? Or do you think that you can just do it over time more slowly? ... neither of those work. You'd want the same again on advertising.

£50k would be an appropriate figure to do something like this and even that's low with the advertising moving forward and any maintenance + new features, etc.

£550 Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

If you want some actual practical advice though...

Find a theme or turnkey solution that is as close as possible with the best features for your £550 budget.

Specialise in a niche instead of trying to make the next ebay/gumtree. If you do well, you will be making money and can expand to other niches or larger areas.

You cannot and will not be able to make anything comparable without a very sizable investment as mentioned above.

Don't waste your money.
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PostPosted: 03:52 - 18 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just noticed this thread (can't sleep).

I'm a software developer myself and what you've asked for is so vague I couldn't even begin to guestimate what would be involved/costings.

James' advert make me smile though. We have a thing in the office where if anyone is crap at something, they are an expert.

The amount of people we've had in for interviews who claim to be experts in this and that always turn out to know sweet fa.

Become a bit of a running joke nowadays.

There is so much more to consider than just a one liner of what you want. where's your hosting for starters? what package do you have? what server (linux/windows) is it on as that has an impact on what server side language you'd use. what db server do you have access to? is it a flat site or do you want a dynamic data driven site? will it require some e-commerce capability? if so you'll require an SSL licence/certificate for your hosting and somewhere to handle the transactions (worldpay for example), I could go on..

A mate of mine just had his company site all redone by some monkey (me and a few other mates are all developers so he should have asked us for advice first tbh) and the guy didn't bother to ask where it would be hosted and built it using some sitebuilder website thing that can only be hosted on their servers. /facepalm

can't remember what it was, wasn't the usual joomla/wordpress stuff.

is that a usual freelancer ad then? I wouldn't touch any work like that without a full spec signed off first. That way myself and the client know exactly what we need to achieve/what's expected. Iterations after that can then be costed if and when. Otherwise the project could go on forever chopping and changing things.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Re: Build A Site? Reply with quote

Dalemac wrote:


And you think someone is going to come along and do it for, comparatively, pennies?
Don't recall putting that anywhere. Confused


Jayy wrote:


A full stack UK / London based developer? Either he's desperate for work or he one of those that sees your budget as a kind of 'starting price' and ends up quoting you 20 times that after trying to talk you around.


Riddle me this though, you just spent 10 - 25k on your site, now what? You expecting the users to flock in the masses? Or do you think that you can just do it over time more slowly? ... neither of those work. You'd want the same again on advertising.



If you want some actual practical advice though...

Specialise in a niche instead of trying to make the next ebay/gumtree. If you do well, you will be making money and can expand to other niches or larger areas.

You cannot and will not be able to make anything comparable without a very sizable investment as mentioned above.
Will answer this in points;

1) I didn't know what to expect but he's put his own bid in there so..

2) Doesn't pay to assume Wink the audience is there already, don't plan to spend a penny on marketing.

3) I do specialise in something of a niche, involving an audience built over a few years already. I've no need to expand beyond what the site will do, I have a day time company to run i'm very happy with.

4) I've found a theme I believe will do the job for now, it costs £50 for the year though I have no idea what i'm doing or what costs will crop up between now and when the site is usable. Time will tell. Thumbs Up

Thank yous all for the replies. Smile
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:

is that a usual freelancer ad then? I wouldn't touch any work like that without a full spec signed off first. That way myself and the client know exactly what we need to achieve/what's expected. Iterations after that can then be costed if and when. Otherwise the project could go on forever chopping and changing things.
I imagine so, was my first time doing it.

Fair play to you, I can't imagine the minefield of the work even though I've come here asking for the world and been cryptic about it Laughing but that's half the problem, when you don't know the world of the work you can't guesstimate what bits and bobs do and cost, which was the reason for checking.

I have no doubt once going this grand adventure of a project will chop and change its running within what it does but for the moment.. easy does it.
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