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Posted: 16:25 - 07 Sep 2017 Post subject: |
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Interesting and doesn't look entirely stupid. I'd imagine it could actually be a bit of a hoot to ride. Needs more fairing.
I presume you have to insure it though?
I'd imagine you could still build one hell of a home-brew electric bicycle, probably faster and with a greater range for the money. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Certainly looks like we are getting closer to a viable product that the average person will want and can afford to buy. ____________________ Riding: Yamaha MT-09 Tracer Occasionally Riding: 08 Suzuki SV650, Potato: 2011 Yamaha YBR Custom.
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"Stuff going in the right direction" - but a lot of money compared to more DIY options.
I bought a road registered 1000w folding scooter for £450 with a 13s (48v) 20ah lithium battery. I bought it mostly for the battery for use elsewhere, but am tempted to get it on the road at some point.
This is a 1000w road legal push bike based one that was for sale up at £1200:
https://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc510/warrah1/DSC_1122.jpg
The same person had this up at £3250 with a 3000w motor setup for 60mph - weight 50kg, though ideally I'd have a mid-drive for fun; but the direct drive hub makes a lot of sense for simplicity and daily use.
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Seems Zero Motorcycles have a sale on. ____________________ Riding: Yamaha MT-09 Tracer Occasionally Riding: 08 Suzuki SV650, Potato: 2011 Yamaha YBR Custom.
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If only the range was increased of the DSR was increased by even just 10 miles, I'd have 1 like a shot.
Yes, they seem expensive, but, in about 15000 miles, which really isn't much, I'll break even on a current bike, which is less than 1 years riding.
For example, CF650, ~£17.00 per 200 miles
Zero ~£3.00 for about the same
Zero, no, oil, no spark plug replacement, no servicing to speak of, replacement belt, after about 17,000 miles, £40.00 , £0.00 VED it really doesn't take long for it to make financial sense.
Hopefully, the 2018 model, or, some other model, will have a range, at NSL speeds of at least 150 miles, and at the price of the Zero, it becomes a no brainer really. Battery is warrantied for 5 years unlimited mileage. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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But it won't break even on current bike if you still have to have a current bike to do te bike things that are fun
Seriously it's only good as a second bike for short hops.
If I go out at the weekend with friends on the bikes we do anything from 50 to200+ miles, sometimes shooting off somewhere on the spur of the moment and have stayed out overnight. You just can't use one for that.
You can't tour. You can't carry pillion, you can't go to London and back from Milton Keynes in one go. In fact you probably wouldn't make it into central London.
A friend has just bought a fold up electric assist pushbike and thats got a 20+ mile range and if you do run out you can still pedal. That seems to be a much better use of electric technology.
Maybe technology will catch up and they will become feasible and cheap but I still can't see it happening soon. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Polarbear wrote: | But it won't break even on current bike if you still have to have a current bike to do te bike things that are fun
Seriously it's only good as a second bike for short hops.
If I go out at the weekend with friends on the bikes we do anything from 50 to200+ miles, sometimes shooting off somewhere on the spur of the moment and have stayed out overnight. You just can't use one for that.
You can't tour. You can't carry pillion, you can't go to London and back from Milton Keynes in one go. In fact you probably wouldn't make it into central London.
A friend has just bought a fold up electric assist pushbike and thats got a 20+ mile range and if you do run out you can still pedal. That seems to be a much better use of electric technology.
Maybe technology will catch up and they will become feasible and cheap but I still can't see it happening soon. |
Current Range of the Zero DSR is 120 miles, so that would cover a fair chunk of your scenarios, when long distance touring, there are an increasing amount of charging points, stop, plug in the fast charger, have a bog break & a coffee, and by the time you've done that, there's a fair chunk of the top up done. The only reason it isn't feasible for me yet, is that I have nowhere to charge it when I get to the office, and, as a result my commute is just that little bit too far, if or hopefully when, they put electric charging points in at work, and/or, when the battery range increases, I'll get one straight away.
Oh, and you can take a pillion on the Zero SR, granted it doesn't look the most comfortable of seats for the pillion, but, no different to that of say a GSX750.
Oh, and on the subject of current bike, I would easily break even, as I'd be replacing my main commuter bike with this, I already have other bikes for when the mood takes me.
Oh, and according to Google Maps ..
Milton Keynes to Central London, ~55 miles, and by next year, there will be around 3000 ev charging points in London, so, a return run from Milton Keynes to London, is very easily doable, unless of course, you don't actually plan on stopping once you get to London??
To be fair, it is cheap, ok, a little more expense upfront, but, if you ride as much as I do, then, as I say, pretty much pays for itself in the first year, just based on the operating costs of my current main commuter, which to be fair, isn't too bad on fuel anyhow. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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I keep looking at these, but the figures just don't add up for me yet.
I'm on around a 90 mile round trip commute, costs a bit less than £9/day. At the moment there isn't anywhere to charge at work (although one of the head office directors who parks in the secure yard where the bike parking is has just had a charge point put in for his wankpanzer hybrid, so as there is now cable and trunking in place it may not be impossible to get sorted).
Anyway, that's mainly fast roads and motorways, so would really need the extended battery in to be comfortable range-wise unless charging does become available at work.
In big handfuls, assuming the above figure of about £3/200 miles for the zero is right, and I'll pay roughly £19 on mine for that. That's a saving of £16 every 200 miles, £160 every 2000, £1600 every 20,000. That's a magic mileage for me, as it's about what my commuting is per year. The rest of my mileage really needs the bigger bike and guaranteed no-faff range of petrol.
No oil changes - I pay about £30 for motul oil and a filter, no more than every 8,000 miles (service book interval), usually less. Assume I'm a good boy and do every 4K, then that's £150 in 20K miles, bringing the saving to £1750. Throw in an air filter, £25, say another £200 on rubber savings (I get through 2-3 sets of tyres a year, I assume they'll be a bit cheaper on this). I'm now up to saving £2k per year compared to running a Pan 1300. Add a couple of hundred more for sundries, VED etc. I'd be surprised if insurance was much different to the £175 I pay now, but it could go either way.
My current bike cost £4.5k with 25k miles on it. I'm assuming I'll get 4 years out of it (125k miles is not unreasonable on a Pan), so costs £1k/year depreciation to being scrap value.
As a relatively high mileage rider I just don't see that I can make up the £16K cost of a suitably specced zero compared to running an older bike. Perhaps the economics would be wildly different if I was buying a new bike every three years and doing main dealer servicing - but then with those costs economically I'd be better buying a cheap little shopping car (Kia Picanto, Hyundia i10, whatever) and throwing it away after three years.
The only thing that the zero really has in its favour for me is convenience - assuming the range is good enough for a comfortable round trip or that I can charge at work, then not having to call into the petrol station every couple of days would be a nice bonus. |
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G wrote: | That's the cost of electricity alone I believe?
The cost of depreciation of batteries can sometimes be 10x the price of the electricity! |
I'm wondering what the long term private market will be like for used electric vehicles in the future, once the novelty wears off. Note that I'm pondering the future for vehicles bought now, not the now for vehicles bought in the before.
You'll rarely be able to test the endurance and will always be buying obsolete technology. If you end up with a dudder, the cost to replace the battery will likely exceed what you just paid for it, if you can even still get one for your JokeBrand JoyWhizz. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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As I occasionally go on about - there's nothing particularly special about any of them.
Brushless motors are the only real recent innovation and that's not an innovation in the motor - it's in the controller that can run a 3 phase AC motor from DC.
So I don't see that getting outdated any time soon.
Batteries we still haven't seen any of the amazing new technologies in commercial offerings that were 'just around the corner' 5 years ago.
I'd say The question will more be how happy you are to run a bodged battery pack for your niche brand where someone has repacked it with good nick cells and had to bypass the custom firmware that tried to force you to buy their cartridge.
The claims for many of the expensive commercial bikes are actually quite reasonable in terms of miles - which may even be not too far off the truth if you use them for fairly gentle town commuting (on a big sports bike... the gentle town commuter probably needs to not leave the car park ). |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 212 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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