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fatjames
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: DIY Help needed - NOT BIKE RELATED Reply with quote

Hi,
Trying to help someone fix their internal wooden doors.
There are 2 issues, the first is that the doors have swollen and don't fit very well. I'll use a plane, rasp and sandpaper to sort. This sounds quite easy, but any advice would be great.

The 2nd issue is the latches. On most of the doors, lowering the handle doesn't fully retract the latch, so the lock hits the plate on the frame.
My first thought was to remove the plate on the frame, remove some material and reattach to give more clearance.
While having a toolless look, I tried to remove the entire mechanism from the door, but I couldn't seem to get it out because I'm not sure how the handles come off (to enable me to take the square rod out), I couldn't see any grub screws and couldn't pull them off. Might be better to replace them with the roller ball type, but either way, I need to remove the existing mechanism.

Any advice you could offer will be gratefully received.
Thanks
James
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes the handles are a part of the face plate, may need to remove that rather than just the handle itself. I'd be inclined to just focus on the frame though if the main door mechanism is ok.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sapolsky wrote:
Sometimes the handles are a part of the face plate, may need to remove that rather than just the handle itself. I'd be inclined to just focus on the frame though if the main door mechanism is ok.


Thanks for this. I think I can get away with fixing the frame on most, but on the bathroom door, the handle is fubar (just hangs down) and doesn't do anything.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Re: DIY Help needed - NOT BIKE RELATED Reply with quote

fatjames wrote:
Hi,
Trying to help someone fix their internal wooden doors.
There are 2 issues, the first is that the doors have swollen and don't fit very well. I'll use a plane, rasp and sandpaper to sort. This sounds quite easy, but any advice would be great.


Don't be tempted to get greedy with the plane and take too much off in one go, or it'll split / splinter the edges.

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The 2nd issue is the latches. On most of the doors, lowering the handle doesn't fully retract the latch, so the lock hits the plate on the frame.


If the latches are old, they could just be worn in the gearing which is what's causing it not to fully retract. Latches are really cheap and easy to replace, so I'd do that as a matter of course before investigating any further.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

we need pitchers!!!!

if they are rose type they unscrew a faceplate to reveal the screws.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Re: DIY Help needed - NOT BIKE RELATED Reply with quote

arry wrote:


If the latches are old, they could just be worn in the gearing which is what's causing it not to fully retract. Latches are really cheap and easy to replace, so I'd do that as a matter of course before investigating any further.


Or gunked up with wooden splinters. WD-40 or similar lubricant could sort everything out.

Currently screwfix have lots of offers on new door handles incase the bar is worn out, come with free latch pack.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

el_oso wrote:
we need pitchers!!!!

if they are rose type they unscrew a faceplate to reveal the screws.


Sorry, I should have taken some and won't be back there until it's time to fix.

I'll try and describe.

From outside there is a rectangular plate with 4 screws, handle and lock (to operate with a screwdriver if someone gets stuck)

On the side there is a latch poking out with 2 screws.

On the door jam is another plate with 2 screws.

Inside there is rectangular plate with 4 screws, a handle and a lock (thumb operated).
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Re: DIY Help needed - NOT BIKE RELATED Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Don't be tempted to get greedy with the plane


Thanks, I'll go and gently and keep checking. I've got one these raspy type things which I think will be helpful as they remove less material.

https://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/macgZ1Hb6vMfXGx0ixwxQ8A.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

el_oso wrote:

if they are rose type they unscrew a faceplate to reveal the screws.


Kind of like this, but without the grub screw. (bathroom has a lock too)

https://www.reddiseals.com/wp-content/uploads/product_images/DF04SC.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undo the four screws, pull whole plate/handle away from door, wipe up the fine black metal powder that will fall out. The rod should either come out with the handle or stay put and be pull-outable. The handle the other side of the door can be removed now too, if liked.

Now inspect to see what's what. Once the rod is out you can, if you like, unscrew and remove the latch from the door - you should be left with a hollow where the latch lives, with a couple of holes through it to take the handle rod and locking rod.

I recently went around our house removing all of the latches and handles, applying some GT85 to the internals. Sooo smoooth now.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doors? gtfo

All the cool kids live in open plan houses these days.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Doors? gtfo

All the cool kids live in open plan houses these days.


even in the bathroom?

As others have said, remove the faceplate, from both sides if needed and you should be able to pull the rod.

One thing to check for is whether the hinges have dropped before you start hacking away
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Doors? gtfo

All the cool kids live in open plan houses these days.


It was my house...

.. I'd still want a door on the bathroom.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

its the internal latch that is likely to be the issue.
https://i.imgur.com/qItXYMm.jpg
the internal are made of cheap pressed alloy and over time they just bend.

the result being you can turn the handle a good 45 degrees before there is any retraction of the bolt.
as they start to go people turn the handle harder and harder until they are just bollocks.

replace with new ones.
they come in a a couple of standard sizes.
you can take the old one out and whip down to screw fix.
fit the new one and it will work a treat.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Re: DIY Help needed - NOT BIKE RELATED Reply with quote

fatjames wrote:
Thanks, I'll go and gently and keep checking. I've got one these raspy type things which I think will be helpful as they remove less material.

https://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/macgZ1Hb6vMfXGx0ixwxQ8A.jpg


You should use one of these, for getting the size right:-

https://www.toolstop.co.uk/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/9248a92f1c6aad575d056dd5c5523533.jpg

It will leave a far better finish and if set up correctly can remove tiny amounts. Always plane with the grain and if you need to plane end grain start from the outside and plane halfway then repeat from the other side. You should really use a block plane for end grain, this should stop any chip out at the ends.
Before you remove any material check how much material is actually there, on most modern doors there is a finite amount of material you can remove, if it's a solid wood door plane away!
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 12 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, all.

When I go back I'll take my set of planes as well as the plastic rasp. I think replacing the mechanism from the door will solve most of the issues.

I'll take some photos if I need to ask for any more help.

Thanks again
James
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 12 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinK98 wrote:
its the internal latch that is likely to be the issue.
https://i.imgur.com/qItXYMm.jpg


The Yale tubular latches are the only ones I'll fit. Sold at B and Q although a little pricey there.
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