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PostPosted: 13:53 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
the entire leadership is clearly too stupid and crazy to know the dangers of inciting nuclear war?


You mean the same leadership that, when their own generals/politicians don't agree with them, have them executed by firing anti-aircraft guns at them

Yep, sounds perfectly normal. Anyone seen BoJo recently?
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And why didn't Russia nuke the hell out of the planet when the Soviet Union collapsed?

Because it was being run by a moderate reformer when it went down.

Kim Jong Un is not a moderate reformer.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
So what you're saying is NK having a handful of nukes is instantly more of a horror than any other country having them.

This is actually another aspect to the absurdity of how people react to the North Korea 'crisis'. For some reason it's perfectly fine for a select few 'important' countries to have nukes. They have authority and know how to handle such things. But NK having them is a massive risk because the entire leadership is clearly too stupid and crazy to know the dangers of inciting nuclear war?

I think it's fairly naive this attitude of one country has them so why can't another. We should be working towards less nuclear weapons, not more, and you also have to take into account the threats Iran and N.Korea make.

Granted the US/UK and Russia are worse when it comes to actions (invading other countries), but as others have said we've been through the 'cold war', and came close to using them. Adding more parties to the Nuclear fite can't be a good thing.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope, I still can't figure out why you socialists are so keen on this psychotic, family murdering communist dictator.


Not keen at all, just not a fan of the good vs evil dichotomy most people see it as.

M.C wrote:

I think it's fairly naive this attitude of one country has them so why can't another. We should be working towards less nuclear weapons, not more, and you also have to take into account the threats Iran and N.Korea make.

Granted the US/UK and Russia are worse when it comes to actions (invading other countries), but as others have said we've been through the 'cold war', and came close to using them. Adding more parties to the Nuclear fite can't be a good thing.


Yeah for sure nuclear nonproliferation is the best bet. But then you have to ask how it can ever happen. It seems the majority in the UK are supportive of nukes, citing the fact they they now exist so they'll always exist. With that kind of logic, there's not really a strong argument for telling any other country that it can't develop its own. Sure, get angry about it, but the hypocrisy can't be denied.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Yeah for sure nuclear nonproliferation is the best bet. But then you have to ask how it can ever happen. It seems the majority in the UK are supportive of nukes, citing the fact they they now exist so they'll always exist. With that kind of logic, there's not really a strong argument for telling any other country that it can't develop its own. Sure, get angry about it, but the hypocrisy can't be denied.

I think they'd need to be given up unilaterally. You can argue the UK isn't important enough, or likely to be under threat, but then you had the whole Russian submarine thing not that long ago.

I don't really see it as hypocrisy, the money could be much better spent on other things. Interesting looking at Ukraine who gave up their nuclear arsenal and decided not to join NATO. That worked out well for them Thinking
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
I don't really see it as hypocrisy, the money could be much better spent on other things. Interesting looking at Ukraine who gave up their nuclear arsenal and decided not to join NATO. That worked out well for them Thinking


I'll shill this out again (I'm not getting paid, honest). Got through it myself and fascinatingly on topic https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-59-the-destroyer-of-worlds/
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
just not a fan of the good vs evil dichotomy most people see it as.

It's successful imperial evil versus aspirant concentrated evil.

However, if you want to create a false dichotomy by cleaving BCF into Correct You versus Wrong Most People, fire away, chap.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do get a shifted sense of truth after living outside the western media bubble for some time.

There is a prescribed narrative we are taught to follow. Other countries have a different, and equally "well known" persective, on these things.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
You do get a shifted sense of truth after living outside the western media bubble for some time.

There is a prescribed narrative we are taught to follow. Other countries have a different, and equally "well known" persective, on these things.

I might be completely wrong on this, but I've always got the perception we're controlled in plain sight, it's there to see but people are too stupid or choose not to believe it. Other regimes control the media etc. a lot more effectively, RT for example are very anti-west, and seem to blow any small story out of all proportion.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:30 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
Not keen at all, just not a fan of the good vs evil dichotomy most people see it as.


He ordered the deaths of his half brother and uncle FFS!
He's hardly a fecking Samaritan is he?

But, hey, what's a couple of family members between Commies eh?
I mean, Hitler was OK, apart from his choice of shower installations at his holiday camps.


If his family are anything like you, I'd give him a fucking medal for services to humanity.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

North Korea accuses US of declaring war

North Korea's foreign minister has accused US President Donald Trump of declaring war on his country and said Pyongyang had the right to shoot down US bombers.

Ri Yong-ho said this could apply even if the warplanes were not in North Korea's airspace.

The White House dismissed the statement as "absurd". The Pentagon warned Pyongyang to stop provocations.

A UN spokesman said fiery talk could lead to fatal misunderstandings.
Mr Ri's comments were a response to Mr Trump's tweet that the North Korean leadership would not "be around much longer" if they continued their rhetoric.

"The whole world should clearly remember it was the US who first declared war on our country," Mr Ri told reporters as he was leaving New York, where he had addressed the UN General Assembly on Saturday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41391978
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
I might be completely wrong on this, but I've always got the perception we're controlled in plain sight


It goes on everywhere, this was a US thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013#Smith-Mundt_Modernization_Act_of_2012

Trump / Kim certainly are no Kennedy / Khrushchev
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
North Korea accuses US of declaring war

Oh, is it Monday again?
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Oh

Start watching Rocket Man's trousers.

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/09/25/someones-watching-kim-jong-uns-trousers-now-will/
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump acts like a child he apparently is. Just the other day he called a 'merican footballer son of a bitch on Tv and asked the officials to fire him (didn't knee, or did knee during the national anthem), then he refused to meet a basketball team because some of the players didn't agree with Trump's views.

Now he's gonna provoke a war conflict with a poverty ville, quite possibly killing thousands of inocent bystanders (duh, colateral damage, internation law), while playing Born in the USA (which isn't a song about proud 'merican people being patriotic - google that up) from the speakers mounted to a war helicopter, flying in close aproximity of Pchjongjang.

We don't really take Trump seriously, not even his people take him seriously (the Paris climate agreement), but there are countries where they apparently do, the NK.
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PostPosted: 01:52 - 26 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
You do get a shifted sense of truth after living outside the western media bubble for some time.

There is a prescribed narrative we are taught to follow. Other countries have a different, and equally "well known" persective, on these things.


Yep.

Rogerborg wrote:
if you want to create a false dichotomy by cleaving BCF into:

Correct You Lived Outside Western Media Bubble vs Prescribed Narrative We Are Taught To Follow Wrong Most People,

fire away, chap.


Okay Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 26 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
if you want to create a false dichotomy by cleaving BCF into:

Correct You Lived Outside Western Media Bubble vs Prescribed Narrative We Are Taught To Follow Wrong Most People,

fire away, chap.

Okay Thumbs Up

Weird, what specifc part of my view on the situation are you disagreeing with?

Do you not think that the USA is an evil corrupt imperialist aggressor? Thinking

Oh! Are you in favour of Kim's collective punishment, mandatory tit-for-tat informing, and the death education camps? Idea
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 26 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
But if he killed his half brother and uncle, started firing test missiles over neighbouring countries, ran his country to a strict dictatorship, banned media and Internet access to the outside world and kept ignoring warnings and sanctions from the international community, crippling his starving country, he'd be an OK kind of bloke and not at all childish then? Thumbs Up


Some good points, now, do we need 2 of those, while the orange one is taunting the Rocketman and provoking him? All that is missing here is yo' mama jokes. Imagine the same was happening during the Cold ''war''. *Mind you, there were fully operational nuclear missiles ready in rocket silos even in Czechoslovakia, aimed at the big cities of the western Europe. Wink

About sanctions, let me tell you how these work, when Europe put sanctions on Russia, the American export market got several points up. The same way, when USA put sanctions against NK, guess who's sales went up. That is why the sanctions don't work. Razz
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 26 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Trump's bluff has been well and truly called. After NorKor's "we war you rong time" declaration, the Septics are backpeddling rapidly.

Well played, you foul mass-murderous despot. Well played indeed. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 26 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Weird, what specifc part of my view on the situation are you disagreeing with?

Do you not think that the USA is an evil corrupt imperialist aggressor? Thinking

Oh! Are you in favour of Kim's collective punishment, mandatory tit-for-tat informing, and the death education camps? Idea


Not sure what you mean.

Just because I think the US are aggressors who are trying to dominate the western Pacific, that doesn't mean I have to be a supporter of the way NK treats dissenters.
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