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PostPosted: 15:33 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: TV Licence paradox question. Reply with quote

Im thinking of telling the Beeb to go hang themselves and inviting them round to see ive uninstalled iPlayer form any devices and disconnected my telly from the aerial socket. Yeah yeah I know inb4 "you can watch for free blahh blahh blahh freeman of the land, just tell them to go twist on it, dont open the door when the licence fee drone hovers outside etc and all that crap".

I just was thinking I don't watch much BBC output anymore especially since i dumped watching any of its news output since the frankly disgusting revelations about what some of its employees (apparently working in a public service capacity) get paid. Anything Beeb does make I might want I can always purchase as a one off from somewhere else as well and its unlikely in a years BBC output there would be enough of that to even come close to equalling the cost of the licence fee. So tatty-bye Auntie Beeb. All good and straight forward, write a letter to TV licencing and cancel direct debit. However it then occurred to me that if I want to watch freeview channels through my tv and therefore an aerial then strictly speaking im using a device capable of receiving Beeb broadcast effluence and so breaking the law of the land/of the universe/of (pick your favorite) God/Gods/Goddeses. The paradox is though, all modern tellies with freeview built in have the BBC channels as standard so effectively its impossible to have a device incapable of receiving BBC broadcasts. I dont want to have to fire up my Fire TV box or computer to stream my chosen content all the time I want to have the convenience of just switching on my TV. Surely this cant be right legally? Just by having a TV with freeview built in the consumer is effectively boxed into a contract to fork out to the licence authority if they just want to use the TV as its designed to be used (IE with an aerial). If you do want to watch TV without being exposed to the "device capable of recieving BBC" legal small print you are effectively compelled to have a broadband connecting to use internet streaming. This seems unfair and frankly wrong.

I mow its a bit of rant but cheers for reading anyway.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all TV receiving equipment, not just the BBC.

If you're watching freeview as it's being broadcast, you need a TV licence. Even if BBC channels were blocked.

If you don't have a licence, you can only use your TV as a monitor to watch recorded media and non-BBC on-demand content. Also gaming.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
It's all TV receiving equipment, not just the BBC.

Doesn't the license fee only go to the BBC?

(Slightly) on the same topic, I saw a non-bbc advert the other day on a BBC channel, some shite about drowning or something. How does that work?

I've never fully understood why they get to show adverts for their own programming, and adverts for BBC shows also come up on the (fire)TV stick, which I assume are being paid for.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
It's all TV receiving equipment, not just the BBC.

If you're watching freeview as it's being broadcast, you need a TV licence. Even if BBC channels were blocked.

If you don't have a licence, you can only use your TV as a monitor to watch recorded media and non-BBC on-demand content. Also gaming.


so any broadcast media, live or otherwise requires a licence to access? Bizarre.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't tell the TV licensing people anything and ignore all their letters.

They're not going to actually do anything. It's much more profitable for them to spending their time targeting the people who engage in conversation and invite them into their houses.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a TV licence, not a BBC licence.

You need one to watch any TV content as it's being broadcast. Also any specifically BBC online or on demand content (the latter bit is a recent addition).
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 'friend' hasn't bought a tv licence in last nine years, watches it sometimes though,that's pretty outlaw don't you think?
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnythefox wrote:
My 'friend' hasn't bought a tv licence in last nine years, watches it sometimes though,that's pretty outlaw don't you think?

He sticks to speed limits religiously though?

I mean, not religiously like a catholic priest or a devout muslim. Church of England religiously.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

For years I never had a telly, this fact at the time (mid 90s) blew some peoples minds.

I'm pretty sure they just have 2 databases, a database of UK addresses and a database of TV licence holders, just subtract one from the other, then hassle the remainder.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Also any specifically BBC online or on demand content (the latter bit is a recent addition).

That's the odd thing, if there's a distinction made between catch-up services, why doesn't the same apply for regular TV? For example the iPlayer asks you if you have a TV licence, 4OD or ITV or whatever don't.

Ste wrote:
Don't tell the TV licensing people anything and ignore all their letters.

They're not going to actually do anything. It's much more profitable for them to spending their time targeting the people who engage in conversation and invite them into their houses.

This. A friend's currently being investigated because he told them he didn't want/need a licence, he reckons he filled in an online form or something Confused
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 02 Oct 2017    Post subject: Re: TV Licence paradox question. Reply with quote

Before any editing....

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Im thinking of telling the Beeb to go hang themselves and inviting them round to see ive uninstalled iPlayer form any devices and disconnected my telly from the aerial socket. Yeah yeah I know inb4 "you can watch for free blahh blahh blahh freeman of the land, just tell them to go twist on it, dont open the door when the licence fee drone hovers outside etc and all that crap".

I just was thinking I don't watch much BBC output anymore especially since i dumped watching any of its news output since the frankly disgusting revelations about what some of its employees (apparently working in a public service capacity) get paid. Anything Beeb does make I might want I can always purchase as a one off from somewhere else as well and its unlikely in a years BBC output there would be enough of that to even come close to equalling the cost of the licence fee. So tatty-bye Auntie Beeb. All good and straight forward, write a letter to TV licencing and cancel direct debit. However it then occurred to me that if I want to watch freeview channels through my tv and therefore an aerial then strictly speaking im using a device capable of receiving Beeb broadcast effluence and so breaking the law of the land/of the universe/of (pick your favorite) God/Gods/Goddeses. The paradox is though, all modern tellies with freeview built in have the BBC channels as standard so effectively its impossible to have a device incapable of receiving BBC broadcasts. I dont want to have to fire up my Fire TV box or computer to stream my chosen content all the time I want to have the convenience of just switching on my TV. Surely this cant be right legally? Just by having a TV with freeview built in the consumer is effectively boxed into a contract to fork out to the licence authority if they just want to use the TV as its designed to be used (IE with an aerial). If you do want to watch TV without being exposed to the "device capable of recieving BBC" legal small print you are effectively compelled to have a broadband connecting to use internet streaming. This seems unfair and frankly wrong.

I mow its a bit of rant but cheers for reading anyway.


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PostPosted: 05:55 - 03 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can watch anything non-BBC and as long as it's not live without a licence so 4od, Netflix, Amazon is all fair game. I find it hard to beleive people still put up with their sh*te tbh. Haven't bought a licence since I left home. Over £1,500 of mine they don't need to have!
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 03 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Johnnythefox wrote:
My 'friend' hasn't bought a tv licence in last nine years, watches it sometimes though,that's pretty outlaw don't you think?

He sticks to speed limits religiously though?

I mean, not religiously like a catholic priest or a devout muslim. Church of England religiously.



Sadly 'my friend' has been known to proceed above the speed limit on occasion.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 03 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

For gods sake dont tell them anything.

I dumped mine when I moved house, so I get letters "to the occupier". it's harrassment, but worse with your name on the front.

The simple fact is, it's a racket. The license fee goes to the BBC, but isn't charged only to those who watch the BBC, it's based on owning "equipment capable of..." which means as someone said, they basically just take all the people on the cencus who dont pay and threaten them monthly.

Even if you only use your TV as a monitor to watch DVDs and dont have a connected antenna or cable input, there is still a grey area with radio. Normally your car radio is covered by extension from your household license (no requirement for a separate one) but if you dont have a household license? Then you need one Razz

Obviously this is easily cured by disconnecting the antenna....

It needs to be banned.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 03 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:
...there is still a grey area with radio. Normally your car radio is covered by extension from your household license (no requirement for a separate one) but if you dont have a household license? Then you need one Razz...


The TV licence people disagree.

TV Licencing wrote:
No, you do not need a TV Licence to listen to the radio (including on BBC iPlayer).
If you play music on your business premises for customers or staff – through radio, TV, computer or CD/DVD, for example – please check if you need music licences from PRS for Music and PPL.

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PostPosted: 10:39 - 03 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:05 - 03 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

Ballpark, how much have they spent sending those?
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 03 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:

I'm pretty sure they just have 2 databases, a database of UK addresses and a database of TV licence holders, just subtract one from the other, then hassle the remainder.


This is exactly what they do.

Also, there has never been a prosecution for TV licence evasion which used evidence from any sort of "TV detector". Without fail, all such prosecutions were based on direct evidence of the TV inspector capita employee witnessing the accused watching television through an open door or a window AND/OR an admission to watching TV without a licence (however so obtained). They are tricksy and so best not talked to.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 03 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Plus the addition of needing to "give" your address details when you buy a TV. Does this still happen? It did a few years ago.

Nope, not had it happen recently anyway. I assume someone realised it was a bit shit for retailers to share your details.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 03 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Don't tell the TV licensing people anything and ignore all their letters.

They're not going to actually do anything. It's much more profitable for them to spending their time targeting the people who engage in conversation and invite them into their houses.


This. I'm 43 and never paid the TV tax paid the TV license.

That said, I've had 1 visit by some nobber in all those years: "We only use the TV for our Firestick / Sky catch-up blah blah".

"OK, Cheers, bye"
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 04 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
B5234FT wrote:
...there is still a grey area with radio. Normally your car radio is covered by extension from your household license (no requirement for a separate one) but if you dont have a household license? Then you need one Razz...


The TV licence people disagree.

TV Licencing wrote:
No, you do not need a TV Licence to listen to the radio (including on BBC iPlayer).
If you play music on your business premises for customers or staff – through radio, TV, computer or CD/DVD, for example – please check if you need music licences from PRS for Music and PPL.


Ah fair enough, that's changed then! Cheers for the update!
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 04 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am moving to Germany now.

"Germany. The licence fee in Germany is now a blanket contribution of €17.50 per month (€210 per annum) for all households and is payable regardless of equipment or television/radio usage."

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