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Don't pay it, don't bloody watch it but they can get fked if they think I'm going to voluntarily divulge my credentials. We've had two notes through the door saying somebody visited at about 2 pm.
Unfortunately for them, we're the working sort. We're out before 9 and back after 6. They once visited our last place while my missus was doing some lesson planning and marking etc, in the middle of the living room surrounded by papers, on a sunday!
He said, I'm from TV licence, you don't watch TV do you? The wife then said, no. She then gave him her name and off he went. We moved not long after that so we don't have to bother with that pish.
I don't see why a corporation, paid with my tax money from the Governmit, the EU and other licences/sales around the world, then demand I pay them £150 a year too. Do what everyone else does, make stuff that people watch and make revenue from advertising or whatever. Theft. ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
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Because this is a thread on TV taxation?
All taxation is theft. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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DrSnoosnoo wrote: | mpd72 wrote: | Why do you see one as something you should pay and not the other?
Neither are optional by law. Why the moral crusade on TV licencing, but not income tax? |
I don't watch live TV but I'm treated as if I'm guilty by an authoritarian corporation. They keep threatening to come to my home and "help me get licenced" and that if I'm caught they'll take me to court. One portion of tax is taken from me before it hits my bank account. Will I willingly pay a private company, that seems to believe it's some sort of public body, some money just because they're kn0bs and won't run adverts like everyone else? they can get fkd |
Same situation, and my position is this:
It is either
A) A television tax for government provided television - in which case take it at source via PAYE like everything else and stop pretending the BBC is independent
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B) A television service charge (like netflix for instance) - in which case it's optional, based on use, so stop harassing people.
The current situation is that we have the BBC, who claim to be independent and unbiased, but is funded by a "license fee" which is classed as a tax and payable whether you watch them or not, simply because you own equipment capable. Thats like forcing me to tax my trackday car to drive around knockhill because i 'could' drive it on the road.
The bit that really pisses me off however is that they then employ Capita under the guise of TVL to send threatening letters to those without a license, including the vulnerable, in order to extort money from them (whether appropriate or not).
Then there is the cost, for many people the TV license is more than their council tax FFS and in the past this was claimed to be worthwhile because it meant quality broadcasting with no adverts. Unfortunately the quality of BBC shows has fallen massively, it's heavily biased and they spend as much time advertising their own programming as other channels do other products. I'd far rather fund a few extra nurses, firemen and Police than Love Island
With that in mind I no longer watch live television and dont pay a license fee because I dont have to. Unfortunately because Capita are corrupt it's simpler to simply bin the letter once a month than give them my details. |
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DrSnoosnoo wrote: | mpd72 wrote: |
Truthfully? Ever?
Little fibber!
DrSnoosnoo wrote: | Been watching movies all afternoon now watching the boxing sky sports pay per view. My mate is impressed and has ordered one too.
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Now that's some investigative work. Now I'll have to ask, what's worse, my piracy of that pay per view event or not paying the BBC their demand? If I paid TV licence would my piracy be more or less offensive? |
No, but along with your other TV posts, the "I never watch live TV, so don't pay a licence" excuse isn't true is it?
In you not paying, those of us who do, end up paying more. It's not too far from benefit fraud or tax evasion IMO. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mpd72 wrote: | No, but along with your other TV posts, the "I never watch live TV, so don't pay a licence" excuse isn't true is it?
In you not paying, those of us who do, end up paying more. It's not too far from benefit fraud or tax evasion IMO. |
Which "other TV posts"? How I love watching Corrie and Eastenders everyday? That one post you've linked to is probably what, almost 2 years old when I was playing around with accessing pirated content? Do you ever access any data you have not paid for, via the 'net? Movies, music, TV shows? Unless you can truthfully answer, "no I have never, nor will I ever", you have no moral high ground.
As for Tax evasion, it's not a government enforced tax is it? If it was it would be out of my wages already or part of my overall tax bill. Until it is, it is nothing like tax evasion. Benefit fraud, I am not gaining anything more than I have, funded from the public purse.
If, as you claim, because "people like me don't pay the fee" your bill is higher. Do you honestly believe the fee would reduce if more people paid it, even if they did not require one? ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
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DrSnoosnoo wrote: |
Which "other TV posts"? |
Your thread about buying a TV?
DrSnoosnoo wrote: | As for Tax evasion, it's not a government enforced tax is it? |
It comes under government legislation, so yes.
DrSnoosnoo wrote: | If it was it would be out of my wages already or part of my overall tax bill. Until it is, it is nothing like tax evasion. Benefit fraud, I am not gaining anything more than I have, funded from the public purse. |
Yeah, I suppose your council tax could be taken from your wages along with vehicle duty too. You have equipment capable of watching live TV, you do occasionally watch live TV even if you lie and pretend you don't. You should have a licence, you don't. Those of us who play by the rules pay for freeloaders like you. You're welcome.
DrSnoosnoo wrote: | If, as you claim, because "people like me don't pay the fee" your bill is higher. Do you honestly believe the fee would reduce if more people paid it, even if they did not require one? |
Yes. If even half of the public was a TV licence freeloader like you, the annual bill would double. They have a budget, either their spend has to halve or we have to pay double. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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It's hard to get into all of that quote nest. I have a TV. I have three in my house! I even have some laptops, a tablet and there's some mobile phones. Does this mean I watch broadcast live TV (or BBC iPlayer)?
Imagine a world where people don't need to watch broadcast television, just try it. Perhaps try and go for a week, yourself, without watching broadcast TV. There are many other forms of entertainment you can access using a television.
You're making false comparisons again, I think Council Tax is a total rip off too, but I do use the services that this is supposed to be spent on. Another small difference is that CT is compulsory.
Notably, you referred to much of my previous post but not the part where I asked if you have accessed media without paying. Very telling.
And oh noes, the BBC may have to cut expenditure if fewer people paid to watch channels other than the BBC. Sounds a touch like market forces that doesn't it? Why should I be hounded and threatened into paying for a service I don't use, thus subsidising the drivel that you must need to survive. ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
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I don't watch live TV in my house. Haven't done for the last 10 years at least.
Oddly, they don't send me letters. I feel left out now.
I have a home cinema setup but it doesn't include any sort of TV tuner. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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DrSnoosnoo wrote: | It's hard to get into all of that quote nest. I have a TV. I have three in my house! I even have some laptops, a tablet and there's some mobile phones. Does this mean I watch broadcast live TV (or BBC iPlayer)? |
Irrelevant. If it's capable of receiving live TV broadcasts, you should shoulder the burden and buy a licence. As for never watching live TV, It took me 2 minutes to catch you out with one of your posts on here.
I don't believe you're being totally honest about never watching live TV.
I don't like the BBC one bit, nor agree with the licence, but as a society we can't have some who play by the rules, whilst others freeload their way through expecting others to pick up the tab. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mpd72 wrote: | Irrelevant. If it's capable of receiving live TV broadcasts, you should shoulder the burden and buy a licence. As for never watching live TV, It took me 2 minutes to catch you out with one of your posts on here.
I don't believe you're being totally honest about never watching live TV.
I don't like the BBC one bit, nor agree with the licence, but as a society we can't have some who play by the rules, whilst others freeload their way through expecting others to pick up the tab. |
Sorry but, "capable to receive live TV" is not a requirement to have to pay a fee is it. Watching live TV is. Your two minutes to look through all of my posts was me doing a semi-brag about some PPV that I watched once, years ago. You're more concerned of me not paying a licence fee than being a pirate.
Quick, jump on stinkwheel because he has no need to be glued to Live TV broadcasts when at home, too.
mpd - have you ever accessed any media without having paid for it? ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
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I wonder how bnp72 thinks regarding private companies given police powers, clamping, issuing tickets etc. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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mpd72 wrote: |
Irrelevant. If it's capable of receiving live TV broadcasts, you should shoulder the burden and buy a licence. |
This is not the case. In theory, every device with a web browser is capable of receiving live TV.
The law is clear, it's if the equipment is USED to receive live TV, not if it's capable of receiving it.
I still had a TV in my house for the first 5 or so years of not watching TV. I used it for playstation and watching videos. Technically the VCR was also capable of receiving TV. Neither were attached to an antenna.
Incidentally, that reminds me of one of the dirty tricks capita have been known to use on people who genuinely aren't using their TV to watch TV. They challenge you to prove it by turning it on and flicking through the channels. Invariably, one of them will come up with a fuzzy image of some sort, even with no antenna attached. They then submit a witness statement saying they saw you watching live broadcast TV. Hence why, as the old Scots saying goes "It's better tae keep the de'il at the door than hae to turn him oot the hoose." ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 197 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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