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PostPosted: 15:16 - 15 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never thought this kind of things were happening in US(lawsuit country).
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 15 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

More coming forward saying 'he raped me'.

I don't think this was chloroform or duct tape rape though, more the kind 'if I don't let him shag me, I won't get the part' rape.

Is that rape? The person could just walk away. Coercion maybe but not rape.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 15 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
More coming forward saying 'he raped me'.

I don't think this was chloroform or duct tape rape though, more the kind 'if I don't let him shag me, I won't get the part' rape.

Is that rape? The person could just walk away. Coercion maybe but not rape.


Yeah, to me that isn't rape at all.

Someone is making a conscious decision to perform an act in exchange for some benefit to themselves.

If this gets classed as "rape" then surely every hooker in the world has potential lawsuits to run after?
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 15 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

News says, one of the rape victims claimed she didn't want to but couldn't get out from under him because he was too heavy.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 15 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Women have used their sexuality to further their careers since the beginning of motion pitcure.

Whilst I agree it's wrong, it's not exactly crystal clear on who is right and wrong here.

Look at Hugh Heffner, can anyone say all those women had sex with him for their own pleasure?

There's a fine line between hero and villain in this industry for sure.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 15 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I don't think this was chloroform or duct tape rape though, more the kind 'if I don't let him shag me, I won't get the part' rape.

I believe it's Regret Rape. I know I said yes then, but now that my career's in the toilet anyway, it turns out that I recall that I was thinking no.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 15 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I wasn't aware that you'd polygraphed them to determine the truth. My mistake.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 15 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX-7R wrote:
Weinstien though is a different matter,these girls were not willing.

Not willing to further their career with sexual favours?
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
ZX-7R wrote:
Weinstien though is a different matter,these girls were not willing.

Not willing but prepared to further their career with sexual favours.


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PostPosted: 07:51 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a prozzie charges you £50 for ficki-ficki, that means she doesn't want to have sex with you to the tune of £50.

Therefore all Johns are rapists.

They might think they were in a situation where they were exchanging money for services on a consensual basis, but that's not the case. Women have no agency, and can't be allowed to make those decisions.

The moment you enter a strip club, you have raped every woman on the premises.

If you pay a masseuse for her services, that's rape.

Female hairdresser? If she wanted to be giving you a trim and blow dry, she's do it for free.

Rape.

Everything is rape.

Everything.
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've almost certainly had sex with drunken girls that would almost certainly not had sex with me if they were sober (and vice versa).

Does this make me a rapist?
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have evidence of affirmative ongoing consent?

Then it can be retroactively withdrawn at any point.

You are a rapist.

I ain't even JK, bruv, this is now the world in which we live.

Roll on the sexbots. Before they get rights too.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I ain't even JK, bruv, this is now the world in which we live.


I once took a job that I didn't want, but needed the money.
Can I now sue the company for abusing me?
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
I've almost certainly had sex with drunken girls that would almost certainly not had sex with me if they were sober (and vice versa).

Does this make me a rapist?


Yes. (I think)
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get 'I consent to sex' signed, in triplicate. Give one copy to your solicitor, one to her and one for you and than you are good to go. Thumbs Up

Although the 'moment' might have long gone by then!
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Although the 'moment' might have long gone by then!

There's nothing more sexy than a legally binding contract, isn't that why people get married?
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX-7R wrote:
Pjay wrote:


Look at Hugh Heffner, can anyone say all those women had sex with him for their own pleasure?



No one ever accused him of rape though,so i guess they were happy to sleep with him if they thought it would benefit them.

Weinstien though is a different matter,these girls were not willing.


I haven't read anywhere that he actually forced himself on the women. Tried it on with them, yes. Some said no, some didn't. When they said no he didn't rape them. Those accusing him of rape are saying they let it happen because it was easier then fighting him off. Shocked

He changed into a bathrobe and asked her to give him a massage. She said she had reluctantly agreed, but that he pulled her skirt up and forcibly performed oral sex on her. She said she felt guilty about what she described as a “horrible trauma” and for not fighting him off. She later went on to have consensual sexual relations with him, which she described to the magazine as one-sided and onanistic, because she believed he would ruin her career if she didn’t comply. “After the rape, he won,” she said..

Even if he offered a role in his movie in exchange for having sex it still isn't rape, they could walk away.

The same sort of thing happens with every male trying it on at the disco (showing my age Laughing ), buying her drinks, promising the world, , some get knocked back, some get a slap, some get laid.

Don't get me wrong, I am totally against rape but to me this is more of a sexual predator than a rapist and that isn't the same thing.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Get 'I consent to sex' signed, in triplicate.

Not good enough. You need to get affirmative and ongoing consent before each thrust, or it's rape.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked (18yo) mrs grr for proof of age and contraception before she took her first cruise on my love boat.
Absolutely true story.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
.........this is more of a sexual predator than a rapist and that isn't the same thing.


This^^ Predatory sexual behaviour is everywhere, its how people get off with each other. Rolling Eyes

Weinstein is and always has been physically repulsive. How else is he going to get laid except by offering potential sexual partners money, film roles or self-advancement?

The most offensive aspects of this matter are using his financial clout to get his end away and how many other people (as well as his victims) were doing so well financially, out of his activities.

The conspiracy of silence and general acquiescence are not surprising really given the billions of dollars sloshing around the film industry.

Equally nauseating is the virtue signalling by all and sundry.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
Predatory sexual behaviour is everywhere, its how people get off with each other. Rolling Eyes

The odd thing's this whole respect us cos we're women thing doesn't work at all when you're courting. I'm not saying you should go full Weinstein just that it's strange what actually works Thinking
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
The most offensive aspects of this matter are using his financial clout to get his end away

Every customer of a prostitute, ever.

I should mention that I think that he's a loathsome thug, and I will laugh like a drain when his defenestration is complete and he's doing 15 - 20 in Federal chokey.

However, just because everyone is now crying rape doesn't mean that any of it was, any more than everyone not crying rape meant that all of it wasn't.

I'd like him to be given a fair trial (or 30 or 40 trials) before being hung.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

However, just because everyone is now crying rape doesn't mean that any of it was, any more than everyone not crying rape meant that all of it wasn't.


Agree entirely, and here lies the difference between a person defending someone's actions and merely pointing out that what they are claiming those actions were, were not actually the thing they were claiming.

I also agree with Pigeon though - no-one should be put in a situation of having to choose to engage in sexual activity in order to get a job; indeed IMO no-one should be subjected to having been asked / put on the spot in that way. It's a total abuse of position.
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