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Sun Wukong
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: A Brexit related challenge for you... Reply with quote

Can you sum up the situation that led up to the decision to hold the referendum, the referendum itself (project fear / kick out darky ) and the clusterfuck that happened afterwords in less than 500 words.

I have to give a presentation on British culture at a conferencey seminar type thing and want to do Brexit, as our groups are split in to EU and Non-EU applicants and there have been many jokes.

I also want to revisit the state of borderline race war we had back in 2016, now it is all quiet again Laughing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Re: A Brexit related challenge for you... Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
Can you sum up the situation that led up to the decision to hold the referendum, the referendum itself (project fear / kick out darky ) and the clusterfuck that happened afterwords in less than 500 words.

I have to give a presentation on British culture at a conferencey seminar type thing and want to do Brexit, as our groups are split in to EU and Non-EU applicants and there have been many jokes.

I also want to revisit the state of borderline race war we had back in 2016, now it is all quiet again Laughing Thumbs Up

WTF? I must have misunderstood the issue; or you have.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Re: A Brexit related challenge for you... Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
less than 500 words.

Short words? Or did you mean fewer?

Here's my thousand-distance-unit synopsis:

Leave: those who were brought up reading The Victor.
Remain: those who were brought up reading txts frm thr m8ts. Also wombyn and pooftahs.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was never a Plan A!

A whole 6 words there, the other 494 words simply aren't required, HTH!
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are more white working class people left than they realised Silence
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 16 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's widely assumed that many people voted leave because they're racist or at least prejudiced against foreigners. In fact, the main prejudice held by many leave voters is/was against white British people born and bred. What leave voters hated wasn't immigrants coming into the country to work, but their neighbours i.e. the natives who won't get off benefits and do that work. The only way to create a situation that will get those bastards off their arses is t0 stop the supply of surplus labour i.e. create tighter border controls.
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy. The Gov thought it was the best time to hold the vote because they were told remain would win. It didn't go as planned. Many butts were hurt.
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PostPosted: 06:36 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes - it was largely Cameron's plan to remove all viable opposition to the Tories. He'd brought about an end to (the end of) Blairism, and repeatedly made Corbyn look unelectable - thus neutralising the threat from the left. The one remaining challenger was Farrage and UKIP - a threat from the right. Farrage's one main objective was a referendum on withdrawal from the EU (confident the country would vote leave) - so Cameron (confident of a remain vote) believed that by "granting" UKIP their referendum, he'd be able to completely neutralise them and remove them from the political landscape.

For the Tories this decision turned out to be a truly disastrous and terrible gamble that has weakened them, disorganised them, installed a very poor leader, and created an administrative nightmare impasse that none of the party seems able to resolve.

They went from laughing long and loud at the dishevelled figure of Corbyn and thus a situation where the primary opposition seemed to have all but evaporated (especially since Scotland's independence movement witnessed the decimation of Labour support), to the creation of a country that appears utterly unable to extricate itself from a vast bureaucratic tar pit. The Tories basically had everything. And they binned it. History must surely view Cameron as one of the worst things to happen to the party in living memory.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Re: A Brexit related challenge for you... Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:
less than 500 words.

Short words? Or did you mean fewer?



Oh you bounder Laughing

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Here's my thousand-distance-unit synopsis:

Leave: those who were brought up reading The Victor.
Remain: those who were brought up reading txts frm thr m8ts. Also wombyn and pooftahs.

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PostPosted: 09:13 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Re: A Brexit related challenge for you... Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

WTF? I must have misunderstood the issue; or you have.


I was being deliberately facetious.

I saw one video talking about "project fear" for remain campaigners, so was trying to represent what remain campaigners might crystalise leave campaigners in to.

Re: groups.

I am a Masters student in Germany. Germany pays for my studies (pretty much in full). This year non-EU students have to pay a contribution to their studies, and not a small one. I am still EU, but could easily not have been.
This has led to banter.

I have, along with other international students, been asked to present my culture. Trying to avoid a rant, and with such clear interest in Brexit, I will present that.

I just wanted some other sides of the discussion, as well as to see what other people (better informed than I [just for Borg]) would put as the most important factors.

Trevor has already added some really useful thoughts, thanks for that Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think all leave voters are racists. But all racists voted leave.

I think we all live on the same planet and we need less boarders, not more.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatjames wrote:


I think we all live on the same planet and we need less boarders, not more.


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PostPosted: 09:24 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Less or fewer?
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatjames wrote:
less boarders

Fewer, and they should be repelled with cutlasses.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
fatjames wrote:
less boarders

Fewer, and they should be repelled with cutlasses.


Now that was brilliance Thumbs UpMr. Green
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brexit, voting leave...... The really BIG one that politicians failed to even grasp was people like me, the old(er) generation who have no affinity with Europe.

We think of ourselves as British, never European, god no, they are foreigners. There are people still alive who fought in the second world war. There are many people still alive who had parents, uncles, aunts etc. killed in the second world war. I lost one Grandfather and two great Uncles. My Grandmother who brought me up hated the Germans and to a lesser extent the Europeans. She voted no to the EU the first time round and cried when we joined it. She never left the UK and never would.

My step Grandfather who died when I was about 20 fought at Gallipoli in the first world war and was in Singapore when the Japanese invaded during the second world war. His hatred of the Japanese knew no bounds and that transferred itself to everything foreign. If I hadn't got a job travelling the world and seeing for myself that these people are not the ogres that the propaganda made them I would probably feel the same as he did.

I would bet (and have nothing to back this up) that 90% of the over 60's voted to leave. The group of people the government like to ignore unless it suits them came back to bite them on the arse.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and as an add on to what I wrote above, my feelings on it are why fight a war to keep the Germans out and then let them rule by proxy.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the other problem...as mentioned before is population, we are smaller than most European states, so notice the crowding far more than others. Driving round Europe you certainly don't see the country wide traffic you see in the UK.

Also, the native UK population aren't breeding like they used to....as this is mainly due to the obscene costs of housing and relatively low wages.

Short term solution....ship in as many bodies as possible to fill gaps. Long term, it worsens the situation for natives as house prices rise due to higher demand, and wages are driven down due to increased competition and people who will happily work for less.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ultimately it came down to three issues...


1) Hoards of migrant workers flooding into the country making it nigh on impossible for British citizens to get blue collar jobs.

2) Migrant workers eager to work themselves to death for the colossal (to them) minimum wage, thus minimum wage becomes the maximum wage, creating an inescapable Victorian poverty trap, either be unemployed or work for a wage you can't live on.

3) Politicians doggedly refusing to accept 1) and 2) as reality.
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Oh, and as an add on to what I wrote above, my feelings on it are why fight a war to keep the Germans out and then let them rule by proxy.

Oh, tish, you're being all irrational and Krautophobic just because they've tried to conquer Europe three times in a century, ongoing to this day.

The latest one is the most insidious, although their demographic gambit has rather backfired on them. Instead of a healthy young workforce of doctors and engineers to support their ageing population, they've got the same swarm of 65 - 85 IQ moochers and muggers as the rest of us. It'll be interesting to see how they offload or weaponise that lot, although we may not like their final solution if it involves visas and one way tickets to Treasure Island.

On a reluctantly serious note, I'd lump Brexiteers into:

Arrow Retirees who will never against trust the Hun and the Frog, with good reason.
Arrow Workers who have seen their jobs and wages threatened by migrants.
Arrow Rational phobics, i.e. anyone who has bothered to find out how the EU actually works.
Arrow Irrational phobics. All racialists did vote for Brexit.

Remoaners, I can't really fathom them, but they seem to include:

Arrow Yoofs and stuuudents whose optimism far exceeds their life experience, or the challenge of having to keep a roof over their heads (£85 to have mine sorted this morning).
Arrow Those who don't work for a living, or who have safe public sector jobs, have no idea who actually pays for their existence, and who therefore believe that they're all right, Jack.
Arrow Mumsnet progressives from the suburbs and Ruralshire to whom Diversity is still a welcome novelty, look at that lovely Nadiya from Bake Off, and who haven't experienced the scowling, insular, hostile, jabbering urban ghettoised variety yet.
Arrow Ideological globalists other than the above, i.e. those who have no excuse for not knowing better.

If I had to pick one word for each camp, I'd go with "makers" being for Brexit, and "takers" being for Remoan.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
Oh, and as an add on to what I wrote above, my feelings on it are why fight a war to keep the Germans out and then let them rule by proxy.

Oh, tish, you're being all irrational and Krautophobic just because they've tried to conquer Europe three times in a century, ongoing to this day.

The latest one is the most insidious, although their demographic gambit has rather backfired on them. Instead of a healthy young workforce of doctors and engineers to support their ageing population, they've got the same swarm of 65 - 85 IQ moochers and muggers as the rest of us. It'll be interesting to see how they offload or weaponise that lot, although we may not like their final solution if it involves visas and one way tickets to Treasure Island.

On a reluctantly serious note, I'd lump Brexiteers into:

Arrow Retirees who will never against trust the Hun and the Frog, with good reason.
Arrow Workers who have seen their jobs and wages threatened by migrants.
Arrow Rational phobics, i.e. anyone who has bothered to find out how the EU actually works.
Arrow Irrational phobics. All racialists did vote for Brexit.

Remoaners, I can't really fathom them, but they seem to include:

Arrow Yoofs and stuuudents whose optimism far exceeds their life experience, or the challenge of having to keep a roof over their heads (£85 to have mine sorted this morning).
Arrow Those who don't work for a living, or who have safe public sector jobs, have no idea who actually pays for their existence, and who therefore believe that they're all right, Jack.
Arrow Mumsnet progressives from the suburbs and Ruralshire to whom Diversity is still a welcome novelty, look at that lovely Nadiya from Bake Off, and who haven't experienced the scowling, insular, hostile, jabbering urban ghettoised variety yet.
Arrow Ideological globalists other than the above, i.e. those who have no excuse for not knowing better.

If I had to pick one word for each camp, I'd go with "makers" being for Brexit, and "takers" being for Remoan.


Seriously, you've forgotten those who are scared of change.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus Icon wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:

If I had to pick one word for each camp, I'd go with "makers" being for Brexit, and "takers" being for Remoan.


Seriously, you've forgotten those who are scared of change.


Which ones are scared of change? I would say both are in their own way...

Leavers that don't like the way the country is becoming less and less what they regard as British.

Remainers that would rather the devil they know in Europe than the unsureity of being on our own.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im a remainer.
In the imperial war museum is a picture of a bridge in Bulgaria.
The person who took that picture could have been tortured to death for taking it.
50 years later I can visit that bridge and take as many pictures as I like.
We were the big boys of the EU and rather than standing around trying to trip it up we should have run it. We could have called the shots.
Now we will be bending over to the yanks ( already fucking us with tariffs), Chinese and Indians.
We have seen how weak the tories are. Do you really think they can thrash out a deal with China?
It's the same old short sightedness,papering over the cracks. Fuckers.How much control do you have when the fucking Chinese are building nuclear power stations? "Agree with us or we turn off your power"
If the current arseholes want my support they should be making this country as energy self sufficient as possible. That way we can tell people to fuck off. Especially the fucking Saudi scum.
Stuff HS2 start building tidal barrages and when you've done it don't sell it to foreigners.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seriously, you've forgotten those who are scared of change.


So which side are those on?
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 17 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
There are people still alive who fought in the second world war.

Remain rolled out a veteran who reckoned he was fighting for unity, I thought they fought for sovereignty Thinking

Polarbear wrote:
She voted no to the EU the first time round and cried when we joined it.

I've talked to people who voted no the first time round yet wanted to remain this time Confused
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