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PostPosted: 14:47 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawkeye1250FA wrote:

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She'll put a contract out on you for spelling her name wrong. Folded arms
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She'll put a contract out on you for spelling her name wrong. Folded arms


Confused

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PostPosted: 15:13 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd give my bike up in an instant. Firstly, carrying a weapon would not work out; you wouldn't have time to grab it. Even if you managed to grab it, the chances of you using it effectively are low. The chances of you hitting yourself/someone else's car with it by accident are probably higher.

In the longer term, as soon as these devils twig that people are "carrying" and fighting back, they will probably start to use acid/ pepper spray etc first, to prevent a struggle.

The tracker seems to be a win/win. More chance of the bike being recovered intact. More chance of you letting the bike go without injury. Fewer/smaller insurance claims can only be a good thing for Londoners' premiums? At worst, it might just prevent them from spiraling up into the £2k area for 3PF&T for a 125.

I also like Stinkwheels idea of remote engine block. It wouldn't be made legal of course, as it could be used in anger and throw the rider off. Perhaps as soon as you hit the app on your phone, it could send a silent alarm to police. That way the scummers would never know if a bike had a silent tracker, and may hopefully divert their attentions to attempted theft of blades from moving agricultural machinery.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had this argument with some of the idiots on the motorcycle crime prevention FB group. They want to carry 'marker spray' (Legal pepper spray they call it) and big knives, heavy maglites and the like. One said he keeps some enormous weapon or other in a rucksack so that if the scrotes attack he's ready.

Now how in the hey-ull are you supposed to get the rucksack off of your back, pull out your maglite or axe or 10lb lump hammer or whatever and attack when the scrotes have already ridden off or pushed you to the floor or stabbed you? Also with regard to the 'marker spray' (which is not legally allowed to be noxious), I think it is more likely to serve to p1ss off your assailant than to incapacitate.

Some people just have no clue about real fear and intimidation.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Now how in the hey-ull are you supposed to get the rucksack off of your back, pull out your maglite or axe or 10lb lump hammer or whatever and attack when the scrotes have already ridden off or pushed you to the floor or stabbed you?

Perhaps Ericck could give us a demonstration?
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Some people just have no clue about real fear and intimidation.


I've had plenty of intimidating and confrontational drivers before. You know me, I'm not exactly Goliath, but I'll give far more than I get in a mash up.

Given I'm not covered for theft, I'd fight until I couldn't anymore. Giving cunts the thing just makes their job easier... I don't like being easy.

Say what you want, but I'm not gonna roll over, can stab me all they want Laughing they can pry my bike from my lifeless body. Might make the police take a bit more of a look, might not. Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
MarJay wrote:
Some people just have no clue about real fear and intimidation.


I've had plenty of intimidating and confrontational drivers before. You know me, I'm not exactly Goliath, but I'll give far more than I get in a mash up.

Given I'm not covered for theft, I'd fight until I couldn't anymore. Giving cunts the thing just makes their job easier... I don't like being easy.

Say what you want, but I'm not gonna roll over, can stab me all they want Laughing they can pry my bike from my lifeless body. Might make the police take a bit more of a look, might not. Laughing


That might be the Paddy death-wish speaking... but honestly the average driver is not a patch on a tooled up scrote who does it day-in day-out. Whether or not you can fight given the opportunity is kind of irrelevant; the issue is that your conscious mind won't react fast enough. You'll be standing by the side of the road with your thumb up your arse (or a knife maybe?) before you even know what has happened.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad OP wasn't hurt. It is most important (than anything else). I hope this incident doesn't worsen your mental balance after a while. Carrying self defense tools is not nice. Those tools make you feel like doing a revenge. and risk yourself. (Special baton, tazor etc).
I suggest you not buying (or watching) these items.
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear these one on each arm whenever I ride in london I've lost count of all the bike jackers I've maimed and killed with these badboys
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
MarJay wrote:
Now how in the hey-ull are you supposed to get the rucksack off of your back, pull out your maglite or axe or 10lb lump hammer or whatever and attack when the scrotes have already ridden off or pushed you to the floor or stabbed you?

Perhaps Ericck could give us a demonstration?


Pop round Rog.
Me and you vs the scumbags. We could be the new guardian angels.

I'll be up the front taking a good hiding while trying to get my tools out of my tank bag.

You can piss your pants at the back and cheer me on Smile
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ericck wrote:
We could be the new guardian angels.

Angles. Fliing hi.


Ericck wrote:
You can piss your pants at the back and cheer me on Smile

I'll be filming it. YouTube gold. Whistle

Paddy has the right idea though. A few heroes need to get themselves deaded so that it's taken seriously, primarily by the courts.

And that is half serious, because I can't think what else is going to reverse the slide into anarchy.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 20 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

I'll be filming it. YouTube gold. Whistle

Paddy has the right idea though. A few heroes need to get themselves deaded so that it's taken seriously, primarily by the courts.

And that is half serious, because I can't think what else is going to reverse the slide into anarchy.


As detailed in Barrkel's thread, someone I know is carrying when they go out of the main strip.

Personally I feel that I'm not made of glass and if people don't stand up to these scrotes, then how can you expect others to.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 21 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pie-Roe wrote:
Personally I feel that I'm not made of glass and if people don't stand up to these scrotes, then how can you expect others to.


I'm not made of glass either, but I am however made of a barely solid substance in varying shades of red and pink that is (unlike glass) magically susceptible to being sliced, cut, stabbed and gouged. Remember, life is not MMA. MMA has rules, is one on one and is stopped when the injuries become too bad. No weapons are allowed, you need to wear gloves and there is no strikes to the back of the head, eye gouging or strikes to the neck.

I don't doubt you'd have a go, but I also think unless you're Tom Cruise in Jack Reacher your likely to come off worse than someone who did not resist.

To re make a point I made before, MMA fights don't start astride a motorcycle with your opponent approaching from behind, with reduced peripheral vision due to a fastened crash helmet.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 21 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Whether or not you can fight given the opportunity is kind of irrelevant; the issue is that your conscious mind won't react fast enough. You'll be standing by the side of the road with your thumb up your arse (or a knife maybe?) before you even know what has happened.

You sound like you've never been in a fight. Normally when you lose it you're intensely focused, one on one you're more likely to do something and think oh shit afterwards than you're to stand there and do nothing.

The problem's if they're ready and you aren't, but that depends on the individual, plenty of people are always angry and always have it simmering under the surface.

As I said earlier the problem comes with multiple assailants, simply because it's a lot of movement to keep track of. I also don't buy into martial arts/boxing training being of much benefit, brawls are always a million times more scrappy.

I think you're also overestimating the culprits, by all accounts they're youths. Granted some of *coughs* them are 50 cent size by age 10, but not all of them are. See the video where some Brazilian guy was losing his shit after a group of Dindus had robbed him.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 21 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
You sound like you've never been in a fight.


Interesting you say that... I'd say it was people claiming to be able to successfully fight back would be the ones who have never actually been in a fight.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 21 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big ugly fuckers like Pieroe are less likely to get bikejacked than those who are smaller and or floppier haired.

You might have whatever weapon concealed on your bike but the chances are bikelife are much more willing to use their weapons.

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PostPosted: 17:57 - 21 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Interesting you say that... I'd say it was people claiming to be able to successfully fight back would be the ones who have never actually been in a fight.


I'd also say you'd do well to not assume Laughing
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MarJay wrote:
M.C wrote:
You sound like you've never been in a fight.


Interesting you say that... I'd say it was people claiming to be able to successfully fight back would be the ones who have never actually been in a fight.

Did I? I'm under no illusions about being able to Jackie Chan them all, and if I had a quid for every time someone tried to rob me I'd be able to live in an area where people didn't try to rob me Wink
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 21 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

next time I feel like upgrading my bike I think I'll take a trip to londanistan
put on my balaclava and when I see a bike I fancy I'll step out in front of them and pretend to be a 13 year old chav.
hopefully It'll be some snowflake bcf rider willing to give up their bike without a fight win win situation, free bike bcfer makes insurance claim drinks all found Very Happy Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 22 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
because entrapment so wouldn't ever get to court for the slap on the wrist
or make the police any money in fines


How could riding a scooter with an unmarked car behind you be entrapment?

Do you even know what entrapment is or is it something you heard someone say once?
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 22 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
andyscooter wrote:
because entrapment so wouldn't ever get to court for the slap on the wrist
or make the police any money in fines


How could riding a scooter with an unmarked car behind you be entrapment?

Do you even know what entrapment is or is it something you heard someone say once?


en¦trap|ment
[ɪnˈtrapm(ə)nt, ɛnˈtrapm(ə)nt]

NOUN
the state of being caught in or as in a trap:
"the feeling of entrapment grows as the roads close and the power goes out" · [more]
the action of tricking someone into committing a crime in order to secure their prosecution:



this putting plod on a scooter for someone to nick would be classed as tricking someone would it not
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 22 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it would not.

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