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I think the biggest drawback we have is the economic system. If we weren't worried about money (and whining greenies) we could build enough nuclear reactors to power the world. We could build transit systems that were so good we wouldn't need the individual car. We could start to explore space properly, we could drag the 3rd world into the 1st world.
We could probably do most anything we set our minds to but it's never going to happen because we would need a world government with the balls to do what is best for the world, not the masses. Of course rich people are the ones with the power and aren't going to give it up.
So we need a benevolent dictator, a megalomaniac to take over the world who doesn't give a shit about upsetting people.
I'd like to volunteer ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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The State should own the means of production, you say?
Yes, we should take free enterprise our of the equation and remove the connection between productivity and reward. I can't see how that could possibly go wrong, again. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 16:18 - 27 Oct 2017 Post subject: |
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Under any system other than capitalism, iPhones wouldn't exist.
More productivity means more stuff.
Is it going straight from the factories to scrap heaps?
The question in the context of the original subject is whether more stuff is a good thing. Productivity is energy use, is killing Gaia, so wealth is murder. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Capitalism creates crap that the sheeple think they need, like electronic handbrakes.
It is wasting resources for the sake of creating that fabrication of wealth, money. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Rogerborg wrote: |
You'd feel no obligation to pay either back or forward the largess of first world privilege and resource consumption that you've enjoyed?
What would you contribute on a farm? Either there, or to the world?
If you don't care about producing more than you consume or helping others, to whom will you turn when you get sick and old? |
My largess...
You really don't know me very well
This degree is paid for by the German state, this should please you.
As a household, my family has paid in a shit ton more tax than it has taken... all high earners and high tax payers.
I think I signed on for about 2 months just after the recession hit... easier to just get a job than jump through those hoops.
And I suspect I've done more for net world happiness already than you have, me old mucko, so
However, I am doing a Masters to put myself in a position to help with food security crises that will no doubt unfold over the next 20-30 years. Climate change or not.
Your homework is to read "The Limits to Growth", 1972, and see how little we have moved forwards.
But within two weeks of lectures, it is obviously just trying to shovel water out of a boat with a rake.
What would I do on the farm? Again, you clearly haven't met me.
I'd earn my position there, put it that way. ____________________ Top cat
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I'd put a lot of money on vat grown meat actually. Price right now is only double that of conventionally grown meat. A whole load less than the 250,000Euros for 200grammes in 2005. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Aye, there will be a reset sooner or later. There has to be. Trickle up economics is getting too obvious.
It's all just a bit shit really.
90‰ inheritance tax over adjusted two million with predeath distribution of assets liable to seizure of more? All too tough to really implement but it is the generational aggregation of wealth that bites, not self earned wealth. ____________________ Top cat
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Polarbear wrote: | Capitalism creates crap that the sheeple think they need, like electronic handbrakes. |
Prove me wrong by smashing your screen.
Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: | How do you define benefit? |
Prove me wrong by smashing your screen.
Sun Wukong wrote: | As a household, my family has paid |
Is your dad bigger than my dad?
Sun Wukong wrote: | And I suspect I've done more for net world happiness already than you have |
Such as?
Sun Wukong wrote: | I am doing a Masters to put myself in a position to help with food security crises |
Such as? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | Capitalism creates crap that the sheeple think they need, like electronic handbrakes. |
Prove me wrong by smashing your screen.
Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: | How do you define benefit? |
Prove me wrong by smashing your screen.
Sun Wukong wrote: | As a household, my family has paid |
Is your dad bigger than my dad?
Sun Wukong wrote: | And I suspect I've done more for net world happiness already than you have |
Such as?
Sun Wukong wrote: | I am doing a Masters to put myself in a position to help with food security crises |
Such as? |
You're going deep intp ISIS72 territory there. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Rogerborg wrote: |
Eh, it smacks of the #Occupy commies smashing the capitalist imperialist power structure by tweeting and posting YouTube videos from their iPhones. |
Planned Obsolescence, innit
A friend of mine made a very cogent point recently. We only have advertising for shit products, the rest sell themselves.
Look at how much advertising we have. Assume all of these products are merely competing for limited market share in nearly identical products and services.
As someone else said in this thread, the issue is consumption capitalism. The system is currently running so as to maximise consumer purchasing, and keep the money circulating.
None of this stuff is necessary. Christmas, Halloween, Birthdays... all excuses for utter shite. Fidget spinners. Yoyos. Kim Kardashian.
All stuff pushed in to your brain to make you feel a lack unless you have it, so that someone else can have some of your fun coupons after the government has had its tithe.
Great, except the system is predicated on the assumption of infinite resources, which are being used up as they are considered "non-scarce"... but it's ok, when they become scarce we will just substitute to a new one...
Hence my comment about technology.
We can use up all the finite supply of phosphorous, because technology will save us.
Same with antibiotic resistance (considered an input), when we squander them producing cheap meat to satisfy high demand... technology will find new ones.
It is insulting once you understand the underlying mechanisms. Really. ____________________ Top cat
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Sun Wukong wrote: | The system is currently running so as to maximise consumer purchasing, and keep the money circulating. |
It's running pretty well, isn't it?
Sun Wukong wrote: | None of this stuff is necessary. |
You mean, except for the stuff that you have, right?
What could you do to put some meaning behind your words?
Sun Wukong wrote: | We can use up all the finite supply of phosphorous, because technology will save us. |
Wait, we're transmuting the element?
If we can mine it, we can recycle it.
Sun Wukong wrote: | Same with antibiotic resistance |
Well, in the sense of being totally different. And I completely agree with you on that one.
Sun Wukong wrote: | It is insulting once you understand the underlying mechanisms. Really. |
Did you read about them on an iPhone? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 152 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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