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Rogerborg wrote: |
When we can show that a closed "renewables" system is capable of being self sustaining, including powering the lives of all the people involved, I'll be interested. Until then, I'm calling it greenwashing of fossil energy. |
Well the book which I've been harping on about in my past few posts seems to think modern society can't be 100% renewable, specially not in the northern latitudes. For example the UK would need a solar panel farm the size of Wales, placed in the Sahara, if full energy needs are to be met by that method. Being more realistic and focusing only on renewable options in the UK itself, the requirement would still be huge - wind farms all over, hydro power all over Scotland and Wales, Severn estuary barrage, etc. There'd also need to be a lot of rules telling people to turn the off lights, only shower for 5 minutes, don't use the TV for more than 1 hour per day, etc. Possible but unlikely, given the human desire for luxury and choice.
The facts really are laid clear in the text. Maybe not super soon but, unless we all reduce our power consumption by about 60%, nuclear will be humanity's main source of energy eventually. |
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Posted: 11:03 - 21 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Lord Percy wrote: | For example the UK would need a solar panel farm the size of Wales, placed in the Sahara, if full energy needs are to be met by that method. |
Plus storage, and that's assuming that they've factored in the energy costs of mining, refining, manufacture and replacement. Then it goes snackbar and we all die.
Fusion or bust. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB |
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Posted: 21:54 - 21 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Is that not more likely to be related to the want for nuke weapons for safety? (No, I haven't read your link).
But Mr World Poleece, Iran is developing them... ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Quote: | they see investing in solar energy as a way to remain a global oil power.
The Saudis burn about a quarter of the oil they produce—and their domestic consumption has been rising at an alarming 7 percent a year, nearly three times the rate of population growth. According to a widely read December 2011 report by Chatham House, a British think tank, if this trend continues, domestic consumption could eat into Saudi oil exports by 2021 and render the kingdom a net oil importer by 2038.
That outcome would be cataclysmic for Saudi Arabia. The kingdom’s political stability has long rested on the “ruling bargain,” whereby the royal family provides citizens, who pay no personal income taxes, with extensive social services funded by oil exports. Left unchecked, domestic consumption could also limit the nation’s ability to moderate global oil prices through its swing reserve—the extra petroleum it can pump to meet spikes in global demand. If Saudi rulers want to maintain control at home and preserve their power on the world stage, they must find a way to use less oil.
Solar, they have decided, is an obvious alternative. |
And latterly, nuclear too, I guess.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/07/saudis-solar-energy/395315/ |
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Just to trigger Borgy.
Trumpence's new appointment.
Aye Carumba ____________________ Top cat
"Hard times lead to hard people. Hard people lead to good times. Good times lead to weak people. Weak people lead to hard times." Smegballs
"Oh and STE balloons would be one of the nicer things we would receive at the office, the amount of dog turd in jiffy bags is not funny." Jsmith86 |
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She disagrees with the climate alarmism industry, you say? She rejects its ever changing premise, its constantly "corrected" figures, and doesn't keep abreast of its imagined crisis of the moment?
Then compost the witch, I guess. The fear and the dollah must flow.
Full marks for the editing and incidental music though, very emotionally persuasive. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 00:47 - 29 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Rogerborg wrote: | She rejects its ever changing premise, | Ah yes, good thing the idea of humans influencing the climate hasn't been around since the turn of the 20th century. Besides, it was proposed by Arrhenius, who might have been the father of modern physical chemistry, but was also clearly a liberal cuck and can thus be safely dismissed.
Rogerborg wrote: | its constantly "corrected" figures | Right, because if it turns out there was a systemic error in your measurements due to orbital decay of the measuring satellites correcting this error is clearly a cover-up/conspiracy/liberal plot. Once a measurement has been made it should never be changed, even if it turns out to be wrong we should continue to use it, in case a group of people who don't understand what is happening take offence to it ____________________ I tell you what, mathematically, I'm having it |
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Here's something to consider.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5138252/ ____________________ The CBR900RR has been sold. Aprilia Falco worms its way into my heart.
Try Soi 23 on Amazon for a good read.... Self promotion? Moi? |
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The premise to which I am referring is: OMFG things will be different tomorrow than they were yesterday! All change is death! Fear! Panic! We're all gunna dieeeeeeeee. Unless you fund my research / quango / fantasy ecotec to the tune of uncounted billions.
And no, once a measurement has been taken, the recorded number should never be changed. You can try and do better in future, you can explain why you think it might have been inaccurate, but if you start "correcting" the actual number based on finger-in-the-air supposition then why even go through the pretence of taking it in the first place? Just make up whatever number suits your agenda.
Oh, they did.
Nah, too long term to be a proper fear! Panic! Fund us!
What we should genuinely be preparing for is surviving a coronal mass ejection. At the moment I'm not really seeing how we would. I mean, how would I even correct all the wrongness on the internets? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: | The premise to which I am referring is: OMFG things will be different tomorrow than they were yesterday! All change is death! Fear! Panic! We're all gunna dieeeeeeeee. Unless you fund my research / quango / fantasy ecotec to the tune of uncounted billions. |
Who, precisely, did you have in mind? I've seen this line in plenty of news papers, not so much from the scientific community.
Rogerborg wrote: | And no, once a measurement has been taken, the recorded number should never be changed. You can try and do better in future, you can explain why you think it might have been inaccurate, but if you start "correcting" the actual number based on finger-in-the-air supposition then why even go through the pretence of taking it in the first place? Just make up whatever number suits your agenda.
Oh, they did. |
Good thing that didn't happen then, isn't it. If they are attempting to hide the original figures, including them in the paper, along with the corrected versions seems rather counter productive.
The corrected measurements supersede the originals, they do not replace them. It's right there in the paper.
Someone is making things up, but it's not the paper's authors.... ____________________ I tell you what, mathematically, I'm having it |
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Falco wrote: | Who, precisely, did you have in mind? I've seen this line in plenty of news papers, not so much from the scientific community. |
Anyone who makes a living from screeching that we're all going to die from (in approximately reverse order):
Deoxygenation.
Global warming.
Acid rain.
Deforestation.
Global cooling.
Rock and roll.
Communism (might have a point there).
Hitler (granted, there was a good run going for a while).
Flappers.
Wombyn's suffrage.
The demon alcohol.
Cocaine niggers.
Onanism.
The French.
Witches.
The plague.
The mahometans (these things come around).
The French again (Danish version).
The Danes.
Original Sin.
The Eyeties.
Goblins.
All good cash bonanzas for those pushing the problem and selling charms, cantrips and "Trust me, I'm a scientician / statesman / priest / God King" solutions. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 140 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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