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PostPosted: 16:02 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Catalexit: What do you think will happen? Reply with quote

Well, it's game on. Catalan.gov declares independence.

They don't seem to have many allies except for the Scotch Racialists and you know, they'd go and help, but their backs are a bit hurtit.

Certainly Brussels will look the other way while the jaunty jackboot of Castilian fascism stomps on their faces again.

Barricades and bayonets by the weekend?
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just when it seems to be hotting up, the inherant idleness will kick-in and everyone will go home early for a nap.

The police will be too busy leaning against the wall chewing gum and alternately checking their hair in their wing mirror and eyeing up other mens wifes tits to break any heads.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to see them pull it off and achieve independence.

I don't suppose it'll happen, Spain has more guns.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I predict lots of blood and dead bodies.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I predict more wee Jimmy Krankie air time.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I predict some sort of football related incident.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

i predict not alot and it will be business as usual in 2 weeks
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barcelona has better pickpockets than Madrid. They'll be fine. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny how Downing Street won't acknowledge Catalonia as independent. Will this follow onto Scotchland, should they get a second crack at it?
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Funny how Downing Street won't acknowledge Catalonia as independent. Will this follow onto Scotchland, should they get a second crack at it?

The Scottish referendum was sanctioned by the UK Government (-which doesn't mean they'd have had to abide by an OUT vote but it would have been difficult to ignore it.) The Catalan one was declared illegal from the off. Those wanting independence would have voted anyway; those siding with Spain would probably have ignored it, hence potentially a faux win for independence.

Spain will grab the purse strings and retain control but Catalan resentment will simmer.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Funny how Downing Street won't acknowledge Catalonia as independent. Will this follow onto Scotchland, should they get a second crack at it?

The Scottish referendum was sanctioned by the UK Government (-which doesn't mean they'd have had to abide by an OUT vote but it would have been difficult to ignore it.) The Catalan one was declared illegal from the off. Those wanting independence would have voted anyway; those siding with Spain would probably have ignored it, hence potentially a faux win for independence.

Spain will grab the purse strings and retain control but Catalan resentment will simmer.


Declared by who?
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You all disappoint. I set it up for you. You had a perfect opportunity.

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PostPosted: 20:10 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The presiding government. They said they wouldn't recognise the poll from the start, contrasting with the Scottish vote which you referred to.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
The presiding government. They said they wouldn't recognise the poll from the start, contrasting with the Scottish vote which you referred to.


How very democratic of them.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
The presiding government. They said they wouldn't recognise the poll from the start, contrasting with the Scottish vote which you referred to.


How very democratic of them.

You were trying to align it with the Scottish vote. There is no relation.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
The presiding government. They said they wouldn't recognise the poll from the start, contrasting with the Scottish vote which you referred to.


How very democratic of them.


And you base that educated statement on what exactly? What you find democratic, some might find against the law and constitution. I don't have the time to study every bit of the British law system, but I do believe there is something about how a referendum has to be done to be legaly relevant and then something in the lines that threatening the territorial integrity of the UK is against the law.

The Scotish referendum was done properly. The Spanish one not so much, although the gov did not have to use force to tell them that.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding is that the Spanish constitution was written by fascists. It doesn't allow for a region to seccede, referrendum or not and it can't be changed according to its own terms.

Spain is still in the process of slowly emerging from a fascist dictatorship. Many parts of the state apparatus still exist. Noteably the civil guard.
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 27 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good comparison would be Crimea. Unless the Catalan government enforce their new state it'll just be ignored.
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 28 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:

How very democratic of them.

You were trying to align it with the Scottish vote. There is no relation.


No, I'm aligning it with the sabre rattling Scotchland have been doing with regards to the second referendum, you know, the one they wanted when they voted to remain and the overall vote was leave?
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 28 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
No, I'm aligning it with the sabre rattling Scotchland have been doing with regards to the second referendum, you know, the one they wanted when they voted to remain and the overall vote was leave?

Quietened down since the general election result. Scottish politics is baffling though, they made massive gains after the Scottish referendum, and then lost them after the EU referendum (and the renewed independence rhetoric). I can only conclude they don't know what they're voting for and/or what they want.
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 28 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Scottish politics is baffling though, they made massive gains after the Scottish referendum

Pre oil industry collapse.

M.C wrote:
and then lost them after the EU referendum

Post oil industry collapse.


M.C wrote:
I can only conclude they don't know what they're voting for and/or what they want.

A minority for freedom, the majority for free stuff. Whether that's from Westminster or Brussels.

Scotchland is a wee, sick nation of spongers and takers. Catalonia is a healthy, wealthy region of high IQ, hard working makers. That's why Madrid can't let it escape.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 28 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
hard working makers. That's why Madrid can't let it escape.


Maybe compared to the rest of Spain but it has always struck me how rude, ignorant and workshy people are when I've been to Barcelona. Anyone I came across who was hard working and polite turned out to be an economic migrant from elsewhere the EU. Something which only re-enforced to me how totally fucked the rest of the EU must be.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 28 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, relative is as relative does. My current employer has a Barcelona office and their lunches don't seem to run to more than two or three hours, most days.

Spain has never really recovered from the 2008 crash, although they've reduced their deficit a bit recently. They need Catalan's taxes and exports to keep the wheels on the wagon, although in about 20 years it'll rumble straight into a bull infested demographic swamp whatever they do.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 28 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spain has called local elections for the 21 December and the campaign will start on the 5th of December.

They have destituted the Catalonia Government and dissolved a few organisms vital to the independence, like the Catalonian foreign office. Apart from that they will react to circumstances.

Question is what the Independence movement will do, will they organize a parallel elections or will run in the Central government ones? Of course we could go back to square one if they win the elections and decided to carry on with the independence process, or if they lose to boycott the new administration. But that means people putting their jobs on the line and will damage the local economy too, very difficult to gauge how much appetite for that there is.

@Stinkwheel

Spanish Constitution was written by democrats that broke away from the remnants of Franco's regime. You are right, one of the postulates of the Constitution is the fact that Spain is indivisible as a country, something the Catalonian parties involved in the writing of the Constitution agree to, and something that can be changed upon consulting in a referendum with the Spanish population.

As per the Civil Guard, they were formed in 1844.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 29 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies for the double posting.

Seems that the Catalonia politicians will do what politicians do best and try to get elected in the central government elections called for the 21st of December, as to keep milking the tit of the state instead of building a brand new independent Catalonia.

The CUP (Independence hardliners, 10 MP's out of 135) while originally refusing to take part in the election because they do not recognise the Spanish government anymore, now they are having second thoughts and talking about participating because of their "responsibility to our people"

Junts per Si (JxSi, 62 Mp's out of 135) it is a coalition of ERC (Republican Leftists for Catalonia) and CDC (Catalonian Democratic Convergence), that it has been reformed to PDeCAT (European Democratic party of Catalonia) due to being mired in corruption charges. Then there are a couple of other players, significant because their capacity to mobilise people. They are all talking of "hard decisions ahead" and "decisions that will not be easy to understand".

Also all these parties representatives in the Senate and the Parlament in Madrid had not resigned as they should do if as they said, Catalonia is an independent country. Surprisingly they declared that doing that will be a cosmetic gesture and rather pointless.

Not surprising, I will do the same if I was getting the money and perks they get.
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