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PostPosted: 00:50 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Scottoiler Removal? Reply with quote

Hi guys.

I want to remove my scottoiler because it pretty much sucks and I prefer looking after my chain myself.

I have no problem removing the unit, although I would like to know what I need to do at the carb end of my bike.

The scottoiler carb line attaches to a rubber hose that looks like it's from my bike rather than something that scottoiler have provided.

What I want to know is whether there is something I need to buy to blank this hose off, or anywhere that it will need reattached. The previous owner fitted the thing and I have no instructions.

Thank you for any help.

It's on my ZZR.
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PostPosted: 01:27 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's probably got a t-piece in the hose running from the carb vacuum stub to the fuel tap. When they fitted it, they'll have cut that hose in half and re-joined it using the t-piece to give them a vacuum stub to connect the scotoiler to.

If this is the case. Best bet would be to get a new piece of rubber hose without a t-piece in it and attach one end to each of those two points.

Alternatives would include joining the two halves of the hose with something else (small length of plastic pipe) or blanking over the sticking out end of the t-piece with a little rubber cap.

If the hose does not attach to the fuel tap. Post back with where it does attach to.

In any case, blanking off the bit the scotoiler attaches to would be appropriate and effective, but there might be a neater way to go about it.
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PostPosted: 01:39 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
It's probably got a t-piece in the hose running from the carb vacuum stub to the fuel tap. When they fitted it, they'll have cut that hose in half and re-joined it using the t-piece to give them a vacuum stub to connect the scotoiler to.

If this is the case. Best bet would be to get a new piece of rubber hose without a t-piece in it and attach one end to each of those two points.

Alternatives would include joining the two halves of the hose with something else (small length of plastic pipe) or blanking over the sticking out end of the t-piece with a little rubber cap.

If the hose does not attach to the fuel tap. Post back with where it does attach to.

In any case, blanking off the bit the scotoiler attaches to would be appropriate and effective, but there might be a neater way to go about it.


Thanks stinkwheel.

As far as I can see, the scottoiler connector has an L shape piece that just goes straight into this hose. I never removed the airbox last time I was in there and so I don't know where this hose attaches to. Do you have any suggestions of something to use to block off the hose with? I will probably try and sort out something neater but would like to just get it off for the moment.

Perhaps there is a t piece at the end of the hose and that the hose has been added to the bike.
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PostPosted: 05:03 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a T piece fitted, but is obscured by L shapped connector, this is a small filter.

I had the same problem when I sold my Bandit.

My solution, an inch piece of copper brake pipe 4 or 5mm diameter will fit snuggly into the two cut ends. Did the job perfectly

Pulled the braided pipe protector over the join, jobs a good 'un
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I have seen from the scottoiler website, they ask you to u plug a hose from your bike, connect it to the scottoiler and then connect the scottoiler to where the hose was originally attached which seem to be like what you are describing. Go to their website and look at the installation instructions which should confirm this. If that is the case you would just need to unplug the scottoiler and plug that hose back to where the scottoiler was connected.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pull the oiler off and put a bung over the nozzel on the carb.

See attachment.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the sort of thing you need to replace the T-piece:
https://www.scottoiler.com/uk/Spares-Adaptors/Straight-Connector-to-replace-6mm-t-piece/flypage.tpl.html

...but that’s a hell of a price for a plastic tube. Any old bit of 6mm tube should do the trick (measure the vacuum tube to make sure it’s not 8mm).

Also before you rip the oiler out are you sure it’s that bad? When I got my FireBlade the Scottoiler had been installed by an idiot and was worse than useless. A bit of thought, a couple of spares from Scottoiler and an hour repositioning the delivery tube got it working as designed. I didn’t do huge mileages on that bike, but only had to adjust the chain once in four years and 12k miles of all weather riding. Could it be that your one isn’t set up right? What problems are you having?
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serendipity wrote:
This is the sort of thing you need to replace the T-piece:
https://www.scottoiler.com/uk/Spares-Adaptors/Straight-Connector-to-replace-6mm-t-piece/flypage.tpl.html

...but that’s a hell of a price for a plastic tube. Any old bit of 6mm tube should do the trick (measure the vacuum tube to make sure it’s not 8mm).

Also before you rip the oiler out are you sure it’s that bad? When I got my FireBlade the Scottoiler had been installed by an idiot and was worse than useless. A bit of thought, a couple of spares from Scottoiler and an hour repositioning the delivery tube got it working as designed. I didn’t do huge mileages on that bike, but only had to adjust the chain once in four years and 12k miles of all weather riding. Could it be that your one isn’t set up right? What problems are you having?


Did you not read my post with the actual instructions from Scotoiler?

There is no T piece.

Quote:
Locate the vacuum – There is a rubber bung over a
spigot on each carburettor. Remove one of these
bungs and then press the Damper Elbow, part number
4, onto the spigot. For further information see our
easy step installation guide


If you only use the bike for fun then they are a waste of time, all they do is get your bike messy, if you are doing 100's of miles a week it is great to fit and forget.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've fitted several scotoilers and I never looked at the online fitment instructions once.

As such, I'd suggest it would be a rash assumption that it is set up exactly according to that guide.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've fitted 2 and followed the instructions both times as I'm sure most people fitting them would, rather than make up their own way.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
I've fitted 2 and followed the instructions both times as I'm sure most people fitting them would, rather than make up their own way.


Depends how long it's been on for.

First one I fitted, there wasn't really commonly available internet access outside of universities and I'm pretty sure scotoiler wouldn't have had a website with fitting guides.

They used to give you a box with the various fittings in it, a photocopied sheet of the general area to connect it to and left you to it. You could have phoned their office for advice if you were stuck but there was certainly no such thing as a model specific fitment guide.

Depends how old a ZZR we're talking about i suppose. I have a mk2 scotoiler at home that I bodged to take thicker oil, still works fine.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ZZR is a 2001 E model. I don't know how long the Scottoiler has been on as it was fitted for the previous owner.

I don't think there is a T piece though, I think it's been fitted the way Chris Red linked.

Can someone link me to these bungs on ebay or the likes as I don't really know what I'm looking for.

Thanks guys.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just to block it up, if you are really bothered buy one from Kawasaki probably no more than £5. Or see if you can find something to block it up floating around. Failing that tape it up.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 03 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
It's probably got a t-piece in the hose running from the carb vacuum stub to the fuel tap. When they fitted it, they'll have cut that hose in half and re-joined it using the t-piece to give them a vacuum stub to connect the scotoiler to.

If this is the case. Best bet would be to get a new piece of rubber hose without a t-piece in it and attach one end to each of those two points.

Alternatives would include joining the two halves of the hose with something else (small length of plastic pipe) or blanking over the sticking out end of the t-piece with a little rubber cap.

If the hose does not attach to the fuel tap. Post back with where it does attach to.

In any case, blanking off the bit the scotoiler attaches to would be appropriate and effective, but there might be a neater way to go about it.


Hi Stinkwheel,

With reference to this link FZ1 part number list, what part number do you think it might be?
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 03 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Scottoiler Removal? Reply with quote

bluezedd wrote:
Hi guys.

I want to remove my scottoiler because it pretty much sucks and I prefer looking after my chain myself.

I have no problem removing the unit, although I would like to know what I need to do at the carb end of my bike.

The scottoiler carb line attaches to a rubber hose that looks like it's from my bike rather than something that scottoiler have provided.

What I want to know is whether there is something I need to buy to blank this hose off, or anywhere that it will need reattached. The previous owner fitted the thing and I have no instructions.

Thank you for any help.

It's on my ZZR.


email Scottoiler.

And all the instructions are in PDF on their site. Smile

FYI, Scottoilers work fine when set up and setting up takes minutes.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 03 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shazarul wrote:

Hi Stinkwheel,

With reference to this link FZ1 part number list, what part number do you think it might be?


I know almost nothing about fuel injection. Glad not too judging by that diagram. My bikes all have carburettors. As did the bike that was being asked about 6 years ago.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 03 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Scottoiler Removal? Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
bluezedd wrote:
Hi guys.

I want to remove my scottoiler because it pretty much sucks and I prefer looking after my chain myself.

I have no problem removing the unit, although I would like to know what I need to do at the carb end of my bike.

The scottoiler carb line attaches to a rubber hose that looks like it's from my bike rather than something that scottoiler have provided.

What I want to know is whether there is something I need to buy to blank this hose off, or anywhere that it will need reattached. The previous owner fitted the thing and I have no instructions.

Thank you for any help.

It's on my ZZR.


email Scottoiler.

And all the instructions are in PDF on their site. Smile

FYI, Scottoilers work fine when set up and setting up takes minutes.


thanks for the advice. The thread was bumped from years ago, so both the scottoiler and bike are gone :p

Thanks Smile
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 03 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Shazarul wrote:

Hi Stinkwheel,

With reference to this link FZ1 part number list, what part number do you think it might be?


I know almost nothing about fuel injection. Glad not too judging by that diagram. My bikes all have carburettors. As did the bike that was being asked about 6 years ago.


Haha yea, the post has a gap of 6 years. Thank you anyway Thumbs Up
I will update when I got the time to open up my tank and cross-check the part I need to replace with the yamaha OEM part list.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 04 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sure it needs a part replacing. Scottoiler also do purely electronic units for FI bikes, so no vacuum take off.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 04 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
You sure it needs a part replacing. Scottoiler also do purely electronic units for FI bikes, so no vacuum take off.


My FI triumph has a vacuum takeoff that my scotoiler is connected to. How else do you think you balance the throttle bodies?
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PostPosted: 07:05 - 05 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes... The point was that not all Scottoiler systems use a vacuum take off nowadays, not that FI systems don't have it.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 05 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The e system is purely only to make the system a little more customisable.

The V system is completely sound.

The theory of operation is quite simple and the Scottoiler gear is well made.

For my money, I would buy the spares to fix the oiler and continue to use it.

Ideally, a chain should be oiled every other tank full of fuel (or more) who can be arsed with that phaph in today's money?

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PostPosted: 18:50 - 05 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
The e system is purely only to make the system a little more customisable.

The V system is completely sound.

The theory of operation is quite simple and the Scottoiler gear is well made.

For my money, I would buy the spares to fix the oiler and continue to use it.

Ideally, a chain should be oiled every other tank full of fuel (or more) who can be arsed with that phaph in today's money?

Very Happy


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PostPosted: 22:58 - 05 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
MCN wrote:
The e system is purely only to make the system a little more customisable.

The V system is completely sound.

The theory of operation is quite simple and the Scottoiler gear is well made.

For my money, I would buy the spares to fix the oiler and continue to use it.

Ideally, a chain should be oiled every other tank full of fuel (or more) who can be arsed with that phaph in today's money?

Very Happy


Once you've gone scotoiler, you never go back.


The reason why I want to remove my scottoiler isn't that I want to switch back to stock but I want to install tutoro instead. Tutoro has been performing well on my other bike. Ease of installation, doesn't lube when stationary, ease of access to the flowrate. Cons; Out of place?
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 06 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
My FI triumph has a vacuum takeoff that my scotoiler is connected to. How else do you think you balance the throttle bodies?


Ask Honda, their latest bikes don't have vacuum take offs. Surprised me as well.
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