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Posted: 15:21 - 05 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Actually spent this morning chasing dates to firm up my break periods to start looking for work contracts.
Can sublet my room while not using it, common practice here. Chucking a mattress on the floor to earn an extra 100 a month is not worth the sadness.
Working in term is possible but not required hopefully (see above points), and would be a poor use of my time unless a good job comes up (keeping eyes open,obviously). Luckily I saved hard all year (as those who saw the GS would know ) and dont spend much generally. I am just trying to minimise my outgoings, hence reluctance to change apartment for the sake of it.
Military is rule by force often. I don't fancy implimenting those tye of people skills
Believe me, I've lived in farworse situations with far worse people in hot and sweaty climates that don't aid my zen state. Successfully, might I add.
I was merely pointing out "If it annoys you, fix it!"is not so constructive advice if that would lead to controlling behaviour due to basically wanting to live alone. Compromise is important.
This particular situation feels unfair/a pisstake. I was hoping for opinions on the situation. I got some of those. ____________________ Top cat
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Posted: 16:14 - 05 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Sun Wukong wrote: |
Military is rule by force often. I don't fancy implimenting those tye of people skills |
In the military, if you're astute enough, you can learn how to get people on your side without the kind of discipline you think it is all about. How to get the best out of people around you, even when everyone is different (yes, people in the military still have individual personalities ), what motivates people.
I don't think you understand the military at all, frankly.
Of course, I don't really expect you to join the military, but I do think you could learn something from the experience. You don't see me creating threads asking advice from a bunch of (almost) complete strangers, about problems in my life, for one thing (although I think I know what your reply to that will be ). Some things you just have to learn to deal with for yourself
In this particular case, one thing that does occur to me is that you are imagining all kinds of problems that haven't even happened yet. Is that fair to say? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 16:20 - 05 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Nope.
What you are doing is you're paralysed by possible outcomes that may not even happen.
Here's the thing you say it yourself you're all busy. How likely is it you're going to interact significantly with the people who you think are going to be annoyed by your actions?
If it's just in passing then it's nothing.
If you have to spend countless hours being moaned about it then and a long time in the future being annoyed about it then your considerations may be valid.
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M.C wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: |
In the military, if you're astute enough, you can learn how to get people on your side without the kind of discipline you think it is all about. How to get the best out of people around you, even when everyone is different ( yes, people in the military still have individual personalities ), what motivates people.
I don't think you understand the military at all, frankly. |
We get ex-military management at work (the company seems to like them), and they seem to think the discipline way (in other words being a c**t) works best... it doesn't. I appreciate cuntyness seems to be a management trait, but they're something special. |
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Posted: 19:19 - 05 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | In the military, if you're astute enough, you can learn how to get people on your side without the kind of discipline you think it is all about. How to get the best out of people around you, even when everyone is different (yes, people in the military still have individual personalities ), what motivates people. I don't think you understand the military at all, frankly.
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Why does this make the military different from any other team-based job? |
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Buy a fridge and a microwave, keep 'em in your locked room, bollox to the rest of 'em!
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Seriously though?
You can't fix stupid, and you can't teach consideration to adults who never had it beaten into them as children.
So move out, and spin the wheel-o-random-roommates again. Maybe next time you'll end up with a couple of industrious, diligent and courteous Johnny Foreigners, plus Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and a man-friendly lesbian.
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Posted: 11:11 - 07 Nov 2017 Post subject: Re: Shared living... moving in an extra person to -your- roo |
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What is fair in this situation? Rent is not cheap here, and so he is just doing it to maximise his one month's earnings. That's it.
Extra people using bathroom in morning. Extra people using kitchen. Extra situations where the common area is just using Russian (we have one other Russian speaker living here). More risk of security issues. More noise in the evening from the room next door.
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Also, raise the question of the rent with the other residents. Not behind anybody's back - but perhaps an extension of his time in the house should be countered with a suggestion that the rent be divided 7 ways instead of six, should keep the room-sharing guys on their toes, ad the others might consider you have a point as they will be directly benefiting from that move.
Have you guys lowered yourself to "house meetings" yet?? If not, now seems the time to instigate it, as you have a situation that will potentially divide the household.
Nobody likes "house meetings" being inflicted, but the way the Azerbaijani guy introduced his cousin into the house pretty much shows he is uncertain in his stance with this. The language is very submissive "By the way ..." (trying to be casual, but nervous as fuck) and "is it ok?" ... you know that then was the time you should have said "well not really, but lets talk about the logistics".
So a house meeting is really the only option to bring some form of regulation back to the house. Make it a set day, Tuesday evenings at 7, something like that, and anyone who says they can't make it will be "fined", nothing serious, just something lame like buying a round of coffees for the whole house.
Set an agenda, make them stick to it and to come up with solutions, not vague decisions. Taking turns taking the chair shows who has the ability to run the meeting properly, so monitor it and work with the ones who chair best on getting solutions that work for everyone. If they are grown men, they will understand the concept of management meetings, just make it a house-friendly one.
It probably seems draconian, but its no worse than living in a household where anarchy takes hold, that just makes it hell for everyone. ____________________ Not nearly as interesting in real life. |
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Posted: 11:38 - 07 Nov 2017 Post subject: Re: Shared living... moving in an extra person to -your- roo |
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Nobody likes "house meetings" being inflicted, but the way the Azerbaijani guy introduced his cousin into the house pretty much shows he is uncertain in his stance with this. The language is very submissive "By the way ..." (trying to be casual, but nervous as fuck) and "is it ok?" ... you know that then was the time you should have said "well not really, but lets talk about the logistics". |
I very much did, to be fair.
It was left on a "A week or so would be fair, a month is taking the piss, if we have any problems, he is out."
Or words to that effect. To be fair to them, since then I've not seen or heard a peep from the guy.
Now, though, have I had a reply to my "hypothetical" email I sent the rental company.
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especially if other housemates had no issue with it and think I've over reacted…
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Posted: 20:21 - 08 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Okay, take advantage of the situation.
Draw up a list of rules, have them translated:
*He can stay here, so long as all the housework is done, including emptying the bins, cleaning the loo etc.
*There must be NO Noise after xx time.
*He will wait his turn for the bathroom - after everyone has finished.
*And whatever else you and your housemates can think about. Find out if he can cook, or get him to go out and do the shopping...perhaps he can help you with some library research.
When I 'lived in' at the student house in Coogee Beach, Oz for two weeks free rent, I made sure their house was clean as a whistle for the whole time I was there. And I made fresh coffee for their arrival home. They liked me as a temporary house guest. These rules weren't given to me though, I volunteered to do it out of the goodness of my heart. ____________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter won't mind - Dr. Seuss |
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Clanger wrote: | Okay, take advantage of the situation.
Draw up a list of rules, have them translated:
*He can stay here, so long as all the housework is done, including emptying the bins, cleaning the loo etc.
*There must be NO Noise after xx time.
*He will wait his turn for the bathroom - after everyone has finished.
*And whatever else you and your housemates can think about. Find out if he can cook, or get him to go out and do the shopping...perhaps he can help you with some library research.
When I 'lived in' at the student house in Coogee Beach, Oz for two weeks free rent, I made sure their house was clean as a whistle for the whole time I was there. And I made fresh coffee for their arrival home. They liked me as a temporary house guest. These rules weren't given to me though, I volunteered to do it out of the goodness of my heart. |
Ooo you little slavedriver, you.
You might have liked to do that out of the goodness of your heart whilst in Coogee (my baby lives there now, by the way: she loves it!) but I doubt other people would really agree to undergo what appears to be virtual slavery for the sake of the room that they have to share with someone else.
Mind you, I suppose it depends how desperate they are
You did it because you wanted to.
But as conditions for being allowed to live there rent-free, its slightly on the dark side of draconian. Only slightly beyond the pale.
I do quite like the one about the bathroom, though.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 194 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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