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^^^Yeah but that BMW be so fugly. It is an ugg of a bike.
Aye BMW is 1 hellova package..mind boggingly good..so good that I purposely didn't ride 1 before getting the 'under powered' and old fashioned F4. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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The 750 is the one..( ) but I sussed their fueling and electrics were lacking, I searched the MV forums and found the +2010 F4 1000s were the ones to get for 'reliability'.
The F4 is a remarkable bike and those 750 F4s are iconic. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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Howling Terror wrote: | The 750 is the one..( ) but I sussed their fueling and electrics were lacking, I searched the MV forums and found the +2010 F4 1000s were the ones to get for 'reliability'.
The F4 is a remarkable bike and those 750 F4s are iconic. |
A friend of mine has an F4 1000 Senna. It's worked for about five minutes in the ten or so years he's owned it. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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Those Ducatis are like pieces of art to me, they look fucking amazing, it's not about how much bang for buck you can get. I could buy 3 bikes for the same cash, Supersport, Supermoto & a Dirtbike but I don't want to, that's not my thing. |
Why do you think I have four bikes, a car and no debt?
Why not admit then, that you like it because it's a nice thing, rather than for it's capabilities?
For me, I'd be terrified of riding it in case it was stolen, I crashed it, or drop it or whatever.
I love riding my CBR, because it owes me next to nothing and I suspect it's been pre-crashed multiple times. If I had a 10k+ bike, I'd be terrified. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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My point is that the USP of a Ferrari is that it's so much faster than most other cars it's unreal. Short of a McLaren or a Lambo you've got a quick thing. |
I always thought the USP of a Ferrari was that it's a Ferrari. You wouldn't buy a Ferrari based on perfromance/£.
Take the new Californa for instance.
£155K, 553bhp, 0-62 3.6sec, top speed 196mph
Quick, sure. But compare it to an F type SVR.
£110K, 567bhp, 0-62 3.5sec, top speed 200mph
or a Nissan GT-R
£80K, 565bhp, 0-62 2.9sec, top speed 191mph.
So you can have a baby Ferrari for £155k in the most basic specification or a quicker, top spec Jag, the new Ducati and a Ford focus for the same money. ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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asta1 wrote: | I always thought the USP of a Ferrari was that it's a Ferrari. You wouldn't buy a Ferrari based on perfromance/£.
Take the new Californa for instance.
£155K, 553bhp, 0-62 3.6sec, top speed 196mph
Quick, sure. But compare it to an F type SVR.
£110K, 567bhp, 0-62 3.5sec, top speed 200mph
or a Nissan GT-R
£80K, 565bhp, 0-62 2.9sec, top speed 191mph.
So you can have a baby Ferrari for £155k in the most basic specification or a quicker, top spec Jag, the new Ducati and a Ford focus for the same money. |
The California is hardly a good example... It's Ferrari's equivalent of a Scrambler! ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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Posted: 22:49 - 14 Dec 2017 Post subject: Re: New V4 Panigale |
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Jayy wrote: | Although these photos are of the "speciale" edition, which is £35k (226bhp) |
I believe Ducati intend to retain a V-twin sportsbike in their line up indefinitely. There's no intention to replace the 959 with a 'mini' V4, and the Panigale 1299 R Final Edition will remain in production until 2020 (Euro5).
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Ducati-1299-Panigale-R-Final-Edition-54.jpg
At £35k it'll cost about the same as the 'Speciale' V4. That would make for an interesting back to back comparison. Not quite as powerful but 5kg lighter. And despite the exhausts, better looking IMO.
I have a standard 1299 model. It's a brilliant bike. As fast as any production bike IME. Relatively comfortable for a superbike. Beautiful to look at, and the V-twin does it for me. Having said that, I'm not convinced about the 'monocoque' chassis design of the Panigale, at least on the road. It's very sensitive to imperfections in road surface, bumps and dips, and results in a lively and sometimes unpredictable ride. I haven't messed around with the suspension settings - that may help. As it is, though, I prefer the handling characteristics of the trellis frame equipped Streetfighter S. It's probably not quite as nimble, but it feels absolutely composed and confidence inspiring. Sounds better than the 1299 too.
I'll give the V4 a go next year if the opportunity arises. I doubt I'd be tempted to buy one. ____________________ Current: Ducati Panigale R / Ducati Streetfighter S / Suzuki GSX-R1000 L5 |
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This is just 'why buy new' taken to a different level.
I had an 1800 Goldwing which was £15000 when most other new bikes were below 10. I bought it because that was what I wanted and I could afford it.
I can afford the new Ducati but I don't want it, thats just personal choice. (and I probably would have trouble getting my feet onto the pegs nowadays )
I don't get this worry about dropping it lark. You buy insurance for that. What about a brand new car? There aren't many decent large cars that will give you much change from £20000, but you wouldn't worry about driving them incase you had a prang.
My Trophy cost £13000 in 2012. Silly money for a toy. My canal boat cost me north of £20000 and I've spent a small fortune on it since. It might sink .
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Polarbear wrote: | This is just 'why buy new' taken to a different level.
I had an 1800 Goldwing which was £15000 when most other new bikes were below 10. I bought it because that was what I wanted and I could afford it.
I can afford the new Ducati but I don't want it, thats just personal choice. (and I probably would have trouble getting my feet onto the pegs nowadays )
I don't get this worry about dropping it lark. You buy insurance for that. What about a brand new car? There aren't many decent large cars that will give you much change from £20000, but you wouldn't worry about driving them incase you had a prang.
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I would - only had a new car once and I hated doing the shopping in it cos some old dear might park too close and ding it when she opened her door. Etc. etc. Yeah you can claim on insurance for shit, but then your premiums go through the roof and the companies claw it back over the next 5-10 years. Or most of it at any rate. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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What this argument is about is how wealthy (or not ) you are. Anyone who was truly wealthy wouldn't be bothered about dropping a £15k bike, or pranging a £150k car. So I can't really see the point in those who can't afford insurance hikes, servicing, or buying such toys in the first place, getting involved in this argument.
To have a proper discussion about this new Panigale, price wouldn't be a consideration, but purely how good it looks, and/or how well it performs. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 105 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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