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PostPosted: 20:58 - 06 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
A smart meter will tell the supplier when you use the most energy, (to recharge your vehicle), and guess what the price will go up for that precise period!

Real time variable tariffs (based on usage of the whole network not individual consumers) is one of the aims of smart meters but that's still a long way off.

Your self driving electric car will be able to talk to your smart meter which will have two way communication with the energy supplies and or the electric distribution networks and so your car will be able to only charge itself when the real time variable tariff is at the 'off peak' rate.

I won't be getting a smart meter until the people who're currently being paid lots of money by the government for the rollout of the smart meter network want to have smart meters in their own homes. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 06 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Utilita smart meters costing a fortune? Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
£226 is not double the annual bill, is it?

Oh it has to be double? I thought establishing they were more expensive was enough. Carry on then.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 06 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Utilita smart meters costing a fortune? Reply with quote

Despined_By_Ex wrote:
combi boiler i shower daily but only turn the hot water on for 15 minutes which is enough to shower.


Does this seem right?

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Combi, or combination boilers, are the UK's most popular type of boiler. They can be an economical option, as combi boilers only heat the water you use.


Please tell me that you do not use immersion heater to heat the water.....
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 06 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Utilita smart meters costing a fortune? Reply with quote

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Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
£226 is not double the annual bill, is it?

Oh it has to be double? I thought establishing they were more expensive was enough. Carry on then.


Read Dydey's post. Then come back and apologise. Laughing

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See above. You may have said it's more than a normal bill, that's wrong (the PPM was at one stage a few fractions of a pence cheaper than a normal bill). DD is lowest unit rate. People with PPM use less energy as having that interaction with the meter makes people aware of how their usage occurs and change their habits.
Put the heating on and get a big bill 3 months later? learn nothing.
Put £5 a day in to run your heating meaning the doleys can't buy as much fags and beer? Learn to put a jumper on instead or get used to the cold...

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PostPosted: 22:43 - 06 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Utilita smart meters costing a fortune? Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Despined_By_Ex wrote:
combi boiler i shower daily but only turn the hot water on for 15 minutes which is enough to shower.


Does this seem right?

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Combi, or combination boilers, are the UK's most popular type of boiler. They can be an economical option, as combi boilers only heat the water you use.


Please tell me that you do not use immersion heater to heat the water.....


no i turn the hot water on using the dial at the top of the stairs which makes the boiler monsters come alive, then after about 15 minutes i turn it off which is enough for the shower.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 06 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

was offered the smart meter as it "can be cheaper" and its "easier"

plus the fact i can top up from anywhere using my phone or pc was mega handy as i found out today when i was out for the day.. i live in a village so the shop opens for about 8 minutes a week which makes it annoying for top ups.

the meter has a little thing you plug into the wall it tells you what you have left, your useage and estimated time, it usually sits around 300w-600w, it seems fairly accurate as putting on the kettle does take it up to about 2.5kw.

house is quite modern with full insulation no real air leaks anywhere and full double glazing.

this is pretty much a typical day past around 8pm for me when im actually home....

https://i.imgur.com/ORFLQQ2.jpg

the amount ive put on the electric which currently has £9 ~ left on it...
https://i.imgur.com/83CqKZW.png
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 06 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obvious question is obvious, but did you provide readings when you moved in? They're not taking off debt from you/previous tenant are they?
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 06 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many kWh per day or week have you been using?
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 06 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despined_By_Ex wrote:
was offered the smart meter as it "can be cheaper" and its "easier"


You've been mugged!
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 06 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Utilita smart meters costing a fortune? Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:


Read Dydey's post. Then come back and apologise. Laughing

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See above. You may have said it's more than a normal bill, that's wrong (the PPM was at one stage a few fractions of a pence cheaper than a normal bill). DD is lowest unit rate. People with PPM use less energy as having that interaction with the meter makes people aware of how their usage occurs and change their habits.
Put the heating on and get a big bill 3 months later? learn nothing.
Put £5 a day in to run your heating meaning the doleys can't buy as much fags and beer? Learn to put a jumper on instead or get used to the cold...

So what question did you ask your mate?

Also there's evidence going back decades they were charging more. Only in the last year or two they've been forced to stop it.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Utilita smart meters costing a fortune? Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:


Read Dydey's post. Then come back and apologise. Laughing

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See above. You may have said it's more than a normal bill, that's wrong (the PPM was at one stage a few fractions of a pence cheaper than a normal bill). DD is lowest unit rate. People with PPM use less energy as having that interaction with the meter makes people aware of how their usage occurs and change their habits.
Put the heating on and get a big bill 3 months later? learn nothing.
Put £5 a day in to run your heating meaning the doleys can't buy as much fags and beer? Learn to put a jumper on instead or get used to the cold...

So what question did you ask your mate?

Also there's evidence going back decades they were charging more. Only in the last year or two they've been forced to stop it.


I said pretty much what Dydey said - I argued when we were on PPM we were getting hammered on cost of electric, and it MUST have been loads more expensive.

FWIW, it's costed us approx. £90/month for the last quarter, combined gas and electric.
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Utilita smart meters costing a fortune? Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
From this it sounds like you're talking about a PAYG meter, rather than a smart meter. If so, it will be costing you a fortune.

Despined_By_Ex wrote:
i can top up from anywhere using my phone or pc

So dydey's obs was correct, and the fact that this is a pre-payment reader is exactly the reason that the OP is overpaying - the smart meter issue is irrelevant.

Have a read of MoneySavingExpert to get the low-down on prepayment meters and to learn about switching suppliers to get the best deals (which is only possible if you have a credit meter).

No way am I ever getting a smart meter (I've been ignoring voicemails entreating me to phone to make an appointment to have one fitted for months now). Apart from all the other anti reasons already mentioned, another one is that because they are linked direct to the supplier, that means that they no longer need access to your property to switch off your supply for whatever reason; all it needs is a mouse-click. That might be because you've not paid the bill, or because someone's made a mistake, or because a fat little Korean dictator has hacked into the supplier's mainframes and fucked them up.
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PostPosted: 06:37 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have to keep topping it up, you're being fleeced on your tariff.

I would first get onto paying via Direct Debit, then get on Uswitch and switch to a cheaper supplier.

I was oblivious a couple of years ago until I tried it, we saved around £450 a year by going from SSE to Sainsburys, as that was cheapest at the time.

The DD went from around £120 to £77 and that was fixed for 2 years.
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you sign up to Tonik, we both get a £20 Amazon voucher. It was cheapest for me, and it is all green and friendly. Plus I feel better not giving my money to a huge multi-national... at least not directly.

https://tonikenergy.mention-me.com/m/ol/gr5pl-chris-brown
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

A £20 Amazon voucher for switching suppliers is a bit crappy and I'd be surprised if they work out the cheapest when taking the tariff price and cashback available into account.

This year I'm paying £22.something each month to npower and I got £75 cashback for switching to them.

Tonik might claim that "100% renewable electricity All our electricity is from renewable sources." but it's not their electricity, it's exactly the same electricity that you'd get from any other energy supplier. Razz

Use uswitch.com to find which supplier is cheapest then compare cashback that's available from topcashback.co.uk and quidco.com then you click through to the suppliers website from topcashback or quidco to whichever works out the best value for you. Wink
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Use uswitch.com to find which supplier is cheapest then compare cashback that's available from topcashback.co.uk and quidco.com then you click through to the suppliers website from topcashback or quidco to whichever works out the best value for you.

+1 to this in spades. Cannot understand why everyone doesn't just do it!
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Utilita smart meters costing a fortune? Reply with quote

Despined_By_Ex wrote:


no i turn the hot water on using the dial at the top of the stairs which makes the boiler monsters come alive, then after about 15 minutes i turn it off which is enough for the shower.


That makes no sense... A combi boiler only heats water when you turn the taps on. No need to switch anything other than the tap.
Perhaps you need to have a look at the boiler and find out exactly what type it is.

Sounds to me more like your boiler is heating up a tank, rather than a combi that only heats the water as you use it.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really sounds like you're using the immersion heater. Also, to echo what people have been saying about PAYG power - it really is significantly pricier. It also doesn't make any sense to pair a smart meter up with PAYG - the whole point of a smart meter is to allow people paying by DD to be billed more accurately - you're chucking a tenner on as soon as the power gets low, so you already know what the monetary consumption is anyway.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Utilita smart meters costing a fortune? Reply with quote

iooi wrote:


A combi boiler only heats water when you turn the taps on.



Not totally true, it maintains the temperature of a small amount of water in the boiler so you have more instant hot water
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
A £20 Amazon voucher for switching suppliers is a bit crappy and I'd be surprised if they work out the cheapest when taking the tariff price and cashback available into account.

This year I'm paying £22.something each month to npower and I got £75 cashback for switching to them.

Tonik might claim that "100% renewable electricity All our electricity is from renewable sources." but it's not their electricity, it's exactly the same electricity that you'd get from any other energy supplier. Razz

Use uswitch.com to find which supplier is cheapest then compare cashback that's available from topcashback.co.uk and quidco.com then you click through to the suppliers website from topcashback or quidco to whichever works out the best value for you. Wink


They were the cheapest on U-Switch. (Well U switch said they might be, I had to go to their website and run another 'Quote')
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Utilita smart meters costing a fortune? Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
iooi wrote:


A combi boiler only heats water when you turn the taps on.



Not totally true, it maintains the temperature of a small amount of water in the boiler so you have more instant hot water


Unless you have Eco Mode set Smile

Ours has 2 modes.
Eco which only heats once water is flowing or Pre Heat, which heats water in boiler to temp you set.

But still does not explain what OP is doing.
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

immersion heater has its own switch in the cupboard however ours uses a boiler to heat the water in the tank
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
How many kWh per day or week have you been using?
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Utilita smart meters costing a fortune? Reply with quote

Despined_By_Ex wrote:
had a smart meter fitted recently, 3 bedroom house..



Does this seem right?


Check your paying to your account and not to the cannabis farm in the house next door. All it takes is the engineer to write the wrong code for a meter in and it bollox things up.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 07 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despined_By_Ex wrote:
immersion heater has its own switch in the cupboard however ours uses a boiler to heat the water in the tank

Why would you even still have a hot water tank fitted if you have a combi boiler? Confused.com

Heh, so I unblicked Ovo for giggles and within a couple of hours I got a call telling me the good news that engineers will be in my area soon and I can have a free smart meter installed free of charge for free!

Sadly, I didn't full rageface as she sounded fit and I am very sexist, but suffice to say I made my views clear. Then blicked them again.
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