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PostPosted: 10:06 - 16 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's actually got slightly more torques than a Ninja 300, it's just that they're going to run out very quickly.

Still, the target market isn't likely to be making that comparison.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 16 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Benelli is a Chinese marque now, but is that... gasp... an original bike? Not just a rebranding or a knock-off?


I'm still trying to work out what it is, there is surely no way this is a new design from Benelli. Suuurely?

It's not an SR400, it's not a GN400, it's not another CB400SS.. I can't find anything with the barrel so far back from the front of the bottom end of the motor. I also can't find anything with two horribly spindly downtubes at the front of the frame.

It can't be?? Eh?
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 27 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

And .. now it's finally for sale here in the UK, so very tempted with a red one, apparently the red ones aren't over here until around Feb ..

https://bikes.motobank.co.uk/storage/benelli/imperiale-400-477/c/red-477.jpg

https://www.motogb.co.uk/model/benelli-imperiale-400
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
And .. now it's finally for sale here in the UK, so very tempted with a red one, apparently the red ones aren't over here until around Feb ..

https://bikes.motobank.co.uk/storage/benelli/imperiale-400-477/c/red-477.jpg

https://www.motogb.co.uk/model/benelli-imperiale-400


Did it take this long to get here because of the poor power to weight ratio they were complaining about two years ago? I'd imagine walking would be quicker Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
And .. now it's finally for sale here in the UK, so very tempted with a red one, apparently the red ones aren't over here until around Feb ..

https://bikes.motobank.co.uk/storage/benelli/imperiale-400-477/c/red-477.jpg

https://www.motogb.co.uk/model/benelli-imperiale-400


No. That doesn't work in my view. It's messy and bitsy. The 'oil tank' shape is wrong. The rear of the bike looks like it's been made from Meccano.

I like retro, I love he new 650 RE but that leaves me absolutely cold.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yer! Hmmm, another Chinese single!
I’m sure it will be a nice bike, but not for me thanks.

Will it have the product support to make it viable as an option in this country?
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a "retro cruiser" apparently Thinking
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
It's a "retro cruiser" apparently Thinking


I thought it was a tank with that canon shaped travesty of an exhaust.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I like the overall style and proportions, but I have doubts about the overall quality, fit and finish. I'm sure they would have gone for a gloss single-colour finish, but the rudimentary paint shops in which these are made would have made inconsistencies obvious, and thus more time (money) would be needed to get a gloss finish and lacquer right. I recognise the basic twin rear shocks - the exact ones are sold on Ebay for a huge range of twin-shock bikes, but the slightly more expensive Chinese adjustable ones aren't offered for this bike. Going by its sheer mass, it will be low-grade standard tubular steel - making up for imprecise tolerances and composition by thickness, I guess. Can't see the frame welds but I imagine they're ugly, like on old-school Japanese bikes. No idea why the power output is so low but maybe the ignition system could be tweaked to produce more. In short, I think the concept and drawings were great, but I suspect a lot of cost-cutting has taken place in the realisation. Wouldn't be happy with that in a new bike.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's like the Skoda Roomster, the bloke who was designing it did a pretty good job for the front half, died, and someone else rushed the rear end through without seeing what the first guy had done.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/skoda-roomster-12.jpg
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
I think it's like the Skoda Roomster, the bloke who was designing it did a pretty good job for the front half, died, and someone else rushed the rear end through without seeing what the first guy had done.


Odd really, I have the Fabia Estate and that looks fine Thinking
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just looked at the other side and the bike definitely says "hey, can we have some of that Enfield money?"
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
I think it's like the Skoda Roomster, the bloke who was designing it did a pretty good job for the front half, died, and someone else rushed the rear end through without seeing what the first guy had done.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/skoda-roomster-12.jpg


Working as I do in the bodyshop trade, I always thought that looked like a bloke bought the wrong parts car to do a ringer on and decided to stitch them together anyway.

That's an even bigger design disaster than the Ssangyong Rodius, which looks like a family hatchback that's reversed into a conservatory.
https://i.ibb.co/GxD8PfC/045400100-1209331241.jpg

Meanwhile, back to the bike, I'm with Polar, doesn't do it for me.

Mash 400 yes, RE Interceptor definitely, but that thing reminds me of the days when the Japs tried to rip off European/American car designs and got it just enough wrong to totally destroy the credibility.

Too fussy, proportions wrong and using the Benelli name does nothing for it.
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PostPosted: 00:44 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:

That's an even bigger design disaster than the Ssangyong Rodius, which looks like a family hatchback that's reversed into a conservatory.
https://i.ibb.co/GxD8PfC/045400100-1209331241.jpg



Jesus effin Christ that's so bad it borders on funny Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Too fussy, proportions wrong and using the Benelli name does nothing for it.


That really pisses me off with the Chinese. Make a bike and stand by it with your own name. Stop trying to live on the coat tails of great marques and in the process destroying or demeaning their history.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Shaft wrote:


Too fussy, proportions wrong and using the Benelli name does nothing for it.


That really pisses me off with the Chinese. Make a bike and stand by it with your own name. Stop trying to live on the coat tails of great marques and in the process destroying or demeaning their history.


It is their own name, they own it, just like Triumph, they too own the name, or, VW with Ducati etc

Or, you could look at it the other way round, and have say BMW rebadge TVS bikes, or Harley rebadge Qianjiang, as they will soon be doing, or, Triumph rebadgeing a Bajaj etc etc ...

As for the Imperiale, sitting on it it feels ergonomically rather nice, if you want, you can have a all black one.

Performance wise, it appears to be somewhere between the RE 350 & 500, it's got pretty good reviews in India, the other competitor over there being Jawa, now, that's a nice looking bike, if it was to ever make it over here ...

Oh, speaking of Enfields, if you do fancy a new Bullet 500, times running out, looks like they'll stop making them from early next year, and they won't be upgrading the 500cc engine to hit the new BS6. Likewise, the old 350 bullet is being pulled for the same reason, although, there is a new 'Classic 350' on the way, with a engine based on the 650's..

Oh, and GT535 is going as well, so, should look to the Herald Cafe 400 then..
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
the other competitor over there being Jawa, now, that's a nice looking bike, if it was to ever make it over here ...


Yours for £5295. Shame the performance doesn't match the look.

https://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/images/Jawa_OHC_Racer_side.jpg

https://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/OHC_RACER.html
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:

Yours for £5295. Shame the performance doesn't match the look.

https://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/images/Jawa_OHC_Racer_side.jpg


I also think that’s a handsome bike, and more my cup of tea.
However I agree with Mr Shaggy and I certainly wouldn’t pay that for it.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is their own name, they own it, just like Triumph, they too own the name, or, VW with Ducati etc



Yes they own the name, having bought it for the sole reason of trying to make people believe that they are getting a Benelli. A bike from a factory with the heritage of the Sei.

What other reason is there to buy a name and nothing else, like AJS and MG other than to fool people into thinking they are buying something they are not?
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
linuxyeti wrote:
the other competitor over there being Jawa, now, that's a nice looking bike, if it was to ever make it over here ...


Yours for £5295. Shame the performance doesn't match the look.

https://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/images/Jawa_OHC_Racer_side.jpg

https://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/OHC_RACER.html


Ahh, no, this is what I'm on about ..

https://media.zigcdn.com/media/model/2019/Sep/jawa-classic-right-side-view_600x400.jpg
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
linuxyeti wrote:


It is their own name, they own it, just like Triumph, they too own the name, or, VW with Ducati etc



Yes they own the name, having bought it for the sole reason of trying to make people believe that they are getting a Benelli. A bike from a factory with the heritage of the Sei.

What other reason is there to buy a name and nothing else, like AJS and MG other than to fool people into thinking they are buying something they are not?


So, do you think people still think they are buying an original Triumph, you know the german company that setup in the UK on the site that is now a housing estate?, just the same as why did Stuart Garner by the Norton name, happens everywhere, in every country for pretty much the same reasons
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ooo, me likee Smile
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 29 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All, well, I decided, even though the HPS125 was a cracking little 125, it was just a little too cramped for me, so, I sold it, and bought a Benelli Imperiale 400, which arrived today ! Woohoo !! Gave a quick covering of corrosion blocker, give it some protection from the copious amounts of roadsalt here, and took it for a spin of about 40 miles, around some of my familiar roads, over to Halfpenny Green & back, not necessarily the shortest route !! Haha. Ensuring I don't go above 4000rpm, whilst I run it in, having said that it will happily sit at 55 just under 4000rpm, so, no great hardship. First impressions, I love it, reminded me of everything that was so good about my Bullet 350, and, nothing of anything that was bad. Gear changes are nice & smooth, decent pickup, handles the farm tracks, minor roads perfectly well, very comfortable. I think I've finally found the perfect stablemate to my other 2 bikes 👍 Now, I've just got to wash the mud assorted gunk off it !! Anyhow, here's some photos from today's little familiarisation run..

https://cdn.bcf.44bytes.net/files/benelli_imperiale_400_2019_20200129_01_blakelands_near_halfpenny_green_3.jpg


https://cdn.bcf.44bytes.net/files/benelli_imperiale_400_2019_20200129_02_halfpenny_green_airfield_1.jpg

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https://cdn.bcf.44bytes.net/files/benelli_imperiale_400_2019_20200129_04_boycott_arms_1.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 29 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it looks very nice and traditional (which I like) but what's with all these anaemic engines? I know it's replacing your 125 but 10kW to 15kW isn't much a jump Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 29 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Well it looks very nice and traditional (which I like) but what's with all these anaemic engines? I know it's replacing your 125 but 10kW to 15kW isn't much a jump Thinking


To be fair, the power isn't an issue, I've 2 other bikes that will easily go above 80 if I so desire, but the Imperiale isn't a bike you get to ride fast on, still, they are bringing out a Imperiale 500 sometime this year, so, no doubt that will have a bit more poke. It has a very similar power and torque as a Royal Enfield 350, slightly more, but generally in that ballpark area. I'll tell you 1 thing, it's solid !!
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