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So, off you toddle to electrocarwankers.co.uk then.
It appears that Tesla have dead-ended on battery tech and are just adding weight and eking a couple more miles out here and there with electro-trickery. That's a poor sign for transferral to bike tech, which is waiting on the Next Big Thing to really take off.
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I read that they were considering rocket technology on their next gen (0-60 in 1.9 sec) super sport car.
They must be those rockets that run on flower petals and tofu.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/20/elon-musk-teases-flying-tesla-roadsters.html
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The wheels are going to come off of Tesla faster than Arcane's CBR once the subsidies dry up.
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That Tesla truck  0-60 in 5 seconds!!
The Semi can also travel up a five per cent gradient with a max load at 65 mph, compared to a diesel truck that can travel 45mph.
Earning 50 per cent per mile over a diesel truck due to the faster speed.
Diesel trucks are 20 per cent more expensive than a Semi from day one.
The new electric lorry will have a decent 500 miles of range at maximum weight at 60mph.
If they can make it 20% cheaper than a conventional lorry, why can't they make a cheap car?
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/880631/Tesla-Semi-truck-range-price-specs-performance
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| ScaredyCat wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | If they can make it 20% cheaper than a conventional lorry, why can't they make a cheap car? |
They do, the Tesla 3 is $35k. |
1) That's not cheap (I know, compared to other performance cars, but it's still not cheap) , and
2) That's the subsidised retail price, not the cost to make it.
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1) That's not cheap (I know, compared to other performance cars, but it's still not cheap) , and
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It's Mondeo cheap.
| Polarbear wrote: | Cheap is a sub 15k |
"Cheap" is relative.
| Polarbear wrote: | still have a 300 mile range |
310 > 300
| Polarbear wrote: | family car that can carry 5 + dog |
How big is the dog? Tesla 3 can seat 5 Adults. Are you done adding random extra requirements to your cheap car?
| Polarbear wrote: | no battery leasing deal. |
Apparently not.
You don't lease the batteries, Tesla don't do that. iirc the original Nissan Leaf did this but it's now optional and Nissan aren't Tesla.
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Of those listed, I'm not so sure they're that comparable to a Tesla, otherwise, you might as well say my Mash 400 is perfectly comparable to a CB1100RS, which it quite clearly isn't, in so much as a Corsa is comparable to a Tesla 3.
Personally, I think Electric motorbikes & cars will be the norm, relatively soon, the only fly in the ointment is autonomous vehicles, will they spell the end the use of human managed vehicles on the road, if they do, then, it's almost certainly goodbye to motorbikes, of any form of propulsion.
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Those stats are for the model range, not specific models. There are 8 Ford Focus models for example, ranging from £20k to £32k. The Fiesta has 12, ranging from £13 to £18k
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Of those listed, I'm not so sure they're that comparable to a Tesla, otherwise, you might as well say my Mash 400 is perfectly comparable to a CB1100RS, which it quite clearly isn't, in so much as a Corsa is comparable to a Tesla 3.
Personally, I think Electric motorbikes & cars will be the norm, relatively soon, the only fly in the ointment is autonomous vehicles, will they spell the end the use of human managed vehicles on the road, if they do, then, it's almost certainly goodbye to motorbikes, of any form of propulsion. |
That is my point exactly, they aren't comparable to the Tesla. When you get an electric car that is comparable to main stream personally owned vehicles in range, performance and carrying capacity then I'm sure it will sell like hot cakes.
A Tesla is the sort of car that has to attract Jaguar, big BMW and other well heeled owners to change from their posh ICE cars to the Tesla and it might do quite well but I suspect it will be 'as well', rather than 'instead of'. That is presuming Tesla last that long considering their losses are bloody astronomical.
https://fortune.com/2017/05/04/tesla-motors-stock-earnings/
People with money that can afford more than one car can have the luxury of running an electric vehicle vehicle alongside an ICE knowing they always have a fall back if need be.
I don't know what incentives are in place for hybrids but that to me seems, at the moment, a much better road to go down if you can only have one car and you want to do your bit for the kittens.
Saying that, has anyone come up with an eco comparison with a hybrid and associated battery construction pollution compared with a very eco ICE engined car?
Of course once the government legislate ICE cars off the road, any subsidy's will dissapear and you will find tax on recharging points to get their revenue back, but that's another story 
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Have a look at this, the cheapest cars available in the UK and one is an electric car.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/14135/cheap-cars-2017-the-cheapest-new-cars-on-sale-now
The problem is that while 4 of them are bog standard, no frills, cheap cars, the electric one is a 2 seater clown car that has the doors and windows as extras.
Forgetting that, the next expensive is the Renault Zoe.
Forget the not-really-suitable-for-Britain Twizy two-seater and the Renault Zoe is the cheapest electric car you can buy in Britain, from just £13,995 when the £4,500 PiCG has been deducted.
So that is actually £18499 when you take the subsidy's away the the tax payer is donating.  Oh, and that doesn't include the battery leasing at £49 to £110 per month depending on the length of the agreement and annual mileage.
However that all said, to me that type of car is what you have to look at to see if an electric vehicle is a viable proposition. That's the car (or it's equivalent) the masses will be stuck with come judgment day, not the Tesla.
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1) That's not cheap (I know, compared to other performance cars, but it's still not cheap) , and
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Nice try. The Mondeo starts at £19,500. But since we're talking US prices, $35,000 is Hyundai Sante Fe cheap. That's £33,000 and upwards here.
I guess we'll find out eventually, if they keep being gifted and loaned enough money to stay in business and ship some over here.
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