changing gear?

[barrkel]

A dab of the clutch when going up through the gears on hard acceleration, but I could just as easily not be using the clutch - it's more force of habit.

Dab clutch + blip throttle + tap down - the Brutale was the first bike I've had that practically forces me to blip the throttle to change gear going down. Quicker shift is much better for keeping the bike in gear on mountain descents heading into hairpins etc. I expect I could extend this into a clutchless downshift, but I don't think I'd be gaining much.

Lots of clutch action between first and second; first is a bit too responsive for smooth riding, but second doesn't have quite enough torque below 10mph. So I'm bouncing between the two when filtering, and using a bunch of clutch slip, sometimes freewheeling with bursts of mediated throttle.
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[Aceslock]

[weasley]

[Rogerborg]

I've done it in the car to show Mrs Borg that it can be done, and also to demonstrate that it's possible to make decent progress using low revs and softly-softly shifts rather than her lead foot and stamp-yank-crash gearchanges.

It didn't sink in of course, bless her silly girlish head.
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[Oneear]

And all of that kind of demonstrates the point that while it's possible, it's also pointless unless there's an actual need - the only needs being to instruct or because of breakdown.

[chickenstrip]

[Oneear]

Indeed.

Or a cripple, like him

[Freddyfruitba...]

[Polarbear]

[Old Git Racing]

1150 flat twin with shaft drive, I use the clutch. YPVS/TZ hardly ever to change gear after pulling away, use it to slip out of hairpins to keep in the power.
Horses for courses.

OGR
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[P.]

[Northern Monkey]

[stevo as b4]

I think theres times in normal riding where a bit of clutch is essential on a two smoke, and yet it could be totally irrelevant on a big sports bike or tourer that's got grunt everywhere and isn't being ridden hard.

[Howling Terror]

Slipper clutch.

Clutchless upshifts when taking pillions.
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[Teflon-Mike]

As far as cars are concerned, I have to vote-auto too!
Fantastic inventions... especially when liable for repairs to the woman's mota....

ALTHOUGH! My Gran bought a Vauxhall Chevette brand new in 1981; in 1991, it failed it's MOT... the tyres were perished... "But it's only done 17,ooo miles!!" she grumbled... Uncle bought her an Automatic Hyundi, when she was waving all the old service receipts around, trying to justify why it shouldn't have failed it's MOT for tyres, and he spotted it had had three new clutches in that time!

Other Uncle's feet poking out from under his G/F's similar shuvvit around three times a year, might have made me dismiss this as a Shuvvit 'thing', except for the blue fug of expletives so often emanating from under the front of an Avenger my other Gran drove....

So when my ex decided to learn to drive, a Meastro auto, seemed like a good way to avoid such hassle..... until she killed the entire gear-box!!!!

Hmmm.. yeah... remember, make something idiot-proof, they build a better idiot!

So I was even MORE idiotic... I bought a Range-Rover 'Auto' with the rare Chrysler 'Torqueflte' gearbox... a device more accustomed to handling the monster torque of a 7 litre Mopar V8 'Hemi' engine in something like a Dodge Ram pick-up, or a Dodge Charger... a 'puny' little 213Ci Buick block isn't EVER going to over stress THAT.... surely!?!?

Y-E-R-S.... I forgot the warning of the Lode-Lane-Lads, that Land-Rovers were tested to destruction, crossing the Darian Gap, Chucking them out of aeroplanes, dragging freight trains, sort of stuff, and they couldn't kill'em!.... 'till they gave'em to a farmers' wife for a week!!!!

My last sight of that poor, rare model Spen-King masterpiece was doing an impression of a MASH extra spewing gallons of red-fluid from the back of a stretcher!!!

Back on topic, I'm with Sid on this; actual clutch lever movement used on the move is so small, and the act of using it so 'reflex', consciously trying NOT to use it, usually makes for slower, more jerky, changes than not!

Contemplating Diggs/'Strip's suggestions over cold or tired hands?!? Probably the only place I really ever do a clutch-less, usually down shift.... but, where it would actually be useful, is where you really don't want to use it..... like in stop-start snarl, or on 'err bludi guzzi, with its atlas hands car-clutch! Actually feat enough to do a clutched change on that tractor box, let alone a clutch-less one!
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[chickenstrip]

[Teflon-Mike]

[chickenstrip]

[Courier265]

[P.]

[Polarbear]

[M.C]

[talkToTheHat]

Clutchless is super-smooth done right. Gives me less chance to make a jerky shift with a pillion on the back. The bandit gearbox is pretty slick and goes up and down nicely everywere except 2->1 Clutchless down is really only for getting a bit of a move on though.

Every even faintly sporty bike I've ridden has been ok with clutchless. I found the 99 R1 a bit notchy but I think that was just my unfamiliarity with it. The XV535 i owned was reluctant to go up the gears clutchles and did so with some fairly loud clunks, but paradoxicly would downshift smoothly if I had my foot in the wrong place and hit a bump. Found my 125s would find plenty of false neutrals if I was remotely clumsy.

I'm not really a car person and haven't had one long, but occasionally I forget about that damned pedal on the left and then surprise myself when it goes in smoothly. Having tried it for laughs when trying to get the slow thing to shift, it doesn't do it in a hurry, mostly as the engine is slow to gain or lose revs. Works if i'm taking my time but the I might as well dab the clutch. A polo is not the kind of car you can be lazy with.
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[natefz6]

On the bike I am pretty much clutchless from 1st up, I tend to use the clutch coming down unless I am feeling particularly lazy or its fecking freezing and I have my hand tucked down. I find its smoother on the way up, just roll off slightly and it pops up a gear.

In the car I always use the clutch.
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