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PostPosted: 20:24 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except the governments of the world want to ban motorbikes.

Also they'd mess with it and the result would undoubtedly have the opposite result.

What was it 5-10 years ago motorbike schools endorsed the changing of the motorbike testing regime. These motorbike schools thought they'd be rolling in money as potential bikers would now have to jump through numerous hoops.

Hoops they would profit from.

Instead younger people saw the numerous flaming (and expensive) hoops and thought sack that.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that's me filled my 'stupid shit I read on the internet' quota for the night.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Suggested Overhaul of Bike Licensing Reply with quote

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CBT's would be valid to 12 months and you can only take it once, taking your CBT is a commitment to do the relevant licence within 12 months, you're A1/A2 licence counts as a indefinite CBT for the next licence category up.


So you get one year only to ever take your test?

Fucking stupid idea.

As is 3 points and a ban. Get caught doing 31 by a particularly officious rozzer and you get banned.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Suggested Overhaul of Bike Licensing Reply with quote

tentativebiker wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:

So you get one year only to ever take your test?

Fucking stupid idea.

As is 3 points and a ban. Get caught doing 31 by a particularly officious rozzer and you get banned.


Yep, will prevent the CBT L plate warriors who've ridden for twenty years on L's dodging tests.

Well don't fucking do 31 in a cunting 30 then ?


I've not had an opportunity to use 'abusive' for a few weeks.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Suggested Overhaul of Bike Licensing Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
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Yep, will prevent the CBT L plate warriors who've ridden for twenty years on L's dodging tests.

Well don't fucking do 31 in a cunting 30 then ?


I've not had an opportunity to use 'abusive' for a few weeks.


Who's being abusive, for it is not I?
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course you havve, bet you drove a car over a moving plane as well? Yeah right, Mr Full of Shit. And legality is a bit moot when you can't be banned....

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PostPosted: 20:40 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon they should reinstate the one year "ban" they used to have if you hadn't done your test within 3 years of getting your provisional. It worked. You could still do your test but weren't allowed on the road by yourself for that year. So CBT lasts 3 years but you can only do it every 4 years.

I think there should be a more progressive way of upgrading your A1/A2 licence than simply having to do another test. Perhaps more along the lines of logging road experience and having a certain number of formal lessons signed off. Kind of like the CPC they have for HGV drivers but with a practical aspect to it.

So leave the direct access option available for older riders but have a progressive development scheme as outlined above for people who do their test on a 125.

I think 15 year olds should be allowed to ride restricted autocycles like they are in France and Holland.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Re: Suggested Overhaul of Bike Licensing Reply with quote

tentativebiker wrote:
I've come up with a suggested scheme pattern for overhauling bike licensing laws to make them less shit.

15 years of age - CBT eligibility for anything up to 250cc
15 years of age - A1 for a 250cc bike
16 years of age - A2 for a 400cc bike
17 years of age - A for an unrestricted bike.

CBT's would be valid to 12 months and you can only take it once, taking your CBT is a commitment to do the relevant licence within 12 months, you're A1/A2 licence counts as a indefinite CBT for the next licence category up. They must display L plates.

CBT riders can not ride on motorways, cannot carry a pillion, and most not ride abroad. A CBT rider must get retested after 6 months to ensure they aren't utterly useless, and must be insured to a minimum of TPF&T.

All riders should wear plates with their licence category written on them on the front and rear of their bike throughout their riding career.

You would get more points as you progress.

CBT - 3 points and a ban
A1 - 6 points and a ban
A2 9 points and a ban
A 12 points and a ban

Tests would switch to a 60 minute on road ride, with manoeuvres performed in real world situations rather than a car park.

Finally any at fault crash would result in a down grade of your licence to the lower category.

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PostPosted: 20:53 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I reckon they should reinstate the one year "ban" they used to have if you hadn't done your test within 3 years of getting your provisional. It worked. You could still do your test but weren't allowed on the road by yourself for that year. So CBT lasts 3 years but you can only do it every 4 years.

I think there should be a more progressive way of upgrading your A1/A2 licence than simply having to do another test. Perhaps more along the lines of logging road experience and having a certain number of formal lessons signed off. Kind of like the CPC they have for HGV drivers but with a practical aspect to it.

So leave the direct access option available for older riders but have a progressive development scheme as outlined above for people who do their test on a 125.

I think 15 year olds should be allowed to ride restricted autocycles like they are in France and Holland.


They definitely need to do something to clamp down on CBT abusers.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They definitely need to do something to clamp down on CBT abusers.


It's not abuse if it's entirely within the law, which it is.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
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They definitely need to do something to clamp down on CBT abusers.


It's not abuse if it's entirely within the law, which it is.


It's an abuse of the law that's there, which is why something needs doing about it. A time limit on CBT riders.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

tentativebiker wrote:
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It's not abuse if it's entirely within the law, which it is.


It's an abuse of the law that's there, which is why something needs doing about it. A time limit on CBT riders.


It's not abuse if its within the law. If the government though it was abuse they would change the law. They are forever tinkering with laws to remove percived loopholes.

It's like all the butthurt about tax avoidance. It's completely legal.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
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It's an abuse of the law that's there, which is why something needs doing about it. A time limit on CBT riders.


It's not abuse if its within the law. If the government though it was abuse they would change the law. They are forever tinkering with laws to remove percived loopholes.

It's like all the butthurt about tax avoidance. It's completely legal.


Something being legal =/= it being okay. Whatever the law says a veteran deliveroo driver is a test-dodger not a Learner, whatever his plates say.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just your opinion that it's not okay. In the opinion of the people that matter (i.e. MPs) it's perfectly fine.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
It's just your opinion that it's not okay. In the opinion of the people that matter (i.e. MPs) it's perfectly fine.


It isn't, it's just there a bit pre-occupied.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

tentativebiker wrote:
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It's just your opinion that it's not okay. In the opinion of the people that matter (i.e. MPs) it's perfectly fine.


It isn't, it's just there a bit pre-occupied.


they're
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

tentativebiker wrote:

They definitely need to do something to clamp down on CBT abusers.


Why? who cares?
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerr wrote:
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They definitely need to do something to clamp down on CBT abusers.


Why? who cares?


Danger to other road users?
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

tentativebiker wrote:
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Why? who cares?


Danger to other road users?


Not really. Thats the whole point of CBT in the first place.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
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Danger to other road users?


Not really. Thats the whole point of CBT in the first place.


Nope that's the point of the test, the CBT just makes sure you don't kill anybody.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBT came in about 25 years ago. If there was a need to change the regime due to 'abuse' 25 years is plenty of time to do it.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 18 Nov 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd already passed my car test by then and so could ride on Lplates indefinately and grandfather rights meant I was exempt from the CBT requirements until I finally passed my test.
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