Suggested Overhaul of Bike Licensing

[ZX-7R]

[Johnnythefox]

[quote="tentativebiker"]I've come up with a suggested scheme pattern for overhauling bike licensing laws to make them less shit.

15 years of age - CBT eligibility for anything up to 250cc
15 years of age - A1 for a 250cc bike
16 years of age - A2 for a 400cc bike
17 years of age - A for an unrestricted bike.



In my day then your idea would have had 15 year olds on RD250LC with just CBT? I'd have loved that.

[Courier265]

[andym]

[tentativebike...]

[TaffyTDM]

[P.]

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Lots of that showing up on my meter.

As above, find a 17/18 year old with 50k+

At 18 I had access to about 4k which is 1000cc territory. I'd be dead by now if I bought one at that age.

[Courier265]

[Qyburn]

On a serious note, I hope people put in their views during the actual consultation period. Some of the proposed changes look good for bikers, for a change. For example licence upgrade by training.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/improving-moped-and-motorcycle-training
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[pinkyfloyd]

[andyscooter]

i wouldn't let 16 year olds loose on 50cc peds if I had my way

they think they are invincible and take stupid risks because imo they are not mature enough to use the road

flying up and down alleyways because they know they can without giving a shit who is walking in them
17 year olds are worse for some reason on their 125cc crossers

the bloke I work with is what you would call abusing the system

rides a 125 on L plates and has for about ten years
rides better then most proper riders do dosnt take any risks and has told me numerous times he would prefer to get there alive and safe rather then five minutes quicker

reason for no test is he had leukaemia and since then stressful situations make him have panic attacks and the idea of a test is petrifying for him
he was a firefighter before that
he has his theory booked for January though
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[Polarbear]

Go back to the decent days of learning -

16 - Moped
17 - 250cc on L plates
17 - Stick a sidecar on and ride any cc on L plates.
17 - Pass your test and ride anything.

It worked for me, YDS7, RD250 then GT500 all in my 17th year. I never died.
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[adam277]

[Courier265]

It was talked about years ago but nothing came of it and that was to do with Pizza delivery riders. It's still the case that anybody can work as a pizza delivery rider on L plates. These days it's not just Pizza, it's all kinds of foods. If I had my way anyone who wants this job SHOULD have a full drivers licence. In fact the same could apply to motorcycle courier work too.

[Nobby the Bastard]

[Courier265]

[Polarbear]

[tentativebike...]

[TheSmiler]

Upgrade through experience would be better than any of this nonsence. That would mean you can't have any old idiot jumping on any bike they want just because they are past a certain age. Do so many miles/hours with an instructor if you are seem as capable then you are able to upgrade.
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[TheSmiler]

[Teflon-Mike]

This question from some-one who hasn't even done CBT yet, is rather like, the patient trying to set the hospital procedures for the surgeon...

Personally, though. opinion on the topic, offered many times before; whenever a learner grumbles about the tests they have to do from a feeling of being dis-privileged by what we got....

1/ Do away with CBT and unsupervised L-Plating
If a couple of hours wobbling round the cones and a couple more dodging Sunday Drivers on the roads is deemed sufficient for any-one to 'qualify' to ride a light-weight motorcycle, unsupervised; put a 'test' at the end of it, dole out A1's if they pass and be done.

Personally I don't think it is, and stats support that, but with the CBT expanded some and a realistic test on the end, it could be enough for an A1 licence.

2/ Do away with DAS, and DAS ages.
Make the tiered licence system properly progressive as was intended.
Eg:
Step 1; Do super-CBT & end test, get a A1
Step 2; Do conventional DAS course & End test, get A2
Step 3; Do AIM/Rospa style 'Advance Rider' Course,& end test, get a RWYL 'A'.

If a 17 year old has the time, money, deturmnation & ablity to go through all that before they are 18, all power to'em!
If they can then get insurance on a Fire-Busa, and avoid loosing hard won licence under NDA, fair play I say!
Some-one that has the deturmination to do that much work, that quick, deserves the licence, and likely if they are that seriouse about the job, and with that investment of time and money it, are a darn site more likely to respect it and be a bit more sesible than Mr Mid-Life Crisis Man with the Mortgate nie on paid off, and the company car to get to work and do the shopping, who can do a course in a week, and buy a 200mph 'toy' for the week-end instead of a new set of golf clubs!

As to moped laws and the old days of 17 year olds on 250's and perpetual L-Plates?!?!

The 1982 125 Learner-Laws were an ass when they were invented, and pushed through against so much opinion advice and evidence against them, it is incredible, but the Hi-Po 250's and accident stats showed just how ridiculous the licence laws had become 'something' had to be done, and the only wonder IS give that motorcycles after two decades of increase, still represent barely 1% of UK road transport, and over half are not regular essential transport but leisure impediments, it's incredible that they have not simply banned bikes outright... it would have less political impact than banning Golf! And almost certainly not get the attention or backlash that banning fox hunting did!

The population of the UK has increased around 25% since the 250 Learner-Laws were in force. Car ownership has more than doubled. Average road traffic miles has increased probably three fold.

Meanwhile the nanny state has eroded an awful lot of old fashioned ideas of personal responsibility, and where-there's-blaim-there's-a-claim $-Lawyers much of what's left.

Idea that you might let a 17 year old, on the road, with no training, no qualification on a 250c motorcycle, that potentially could have 70bhp and 140mph performance, still outside the parameters of any modern licence but the full unrestricted 'A', as standard show room models actually had in the early to mid 1990's, is incredible.

Reversion to pre '82 learner laws in our current culture would almost certainly result in the stats ramping to provide the evidence to cause the the ban-hammer dropping, very quickly indeed.

Before asking why not, first ask why so. What we have is flawed, but its probably less flawed than the alternatives could be!!

But hey, what do I know after 40 years riding, competing, commuting and apparently only ever making the tea for instructors, and merely imagining I rode over cars or took class wins in observed section trials.. lets ask the guy without a licence.. he m-u-s-t have all the answers.....
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[redeem ouzzer]

I want one of these road legal 70bhp 250's Teffers is flapping on about
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[Copycat73]

no other country has this L plate dispensation ..

you go to the designated instruction centre and you train & pass tests until you gain your full licence ... thats the way i see it goin here .. any changes to licencing groups or categories will be accepted here ... brexit or no .. simply because it would be too complicated otherwise....
any other changes would be pushed to the back of the queue because they`re gonna have their agenda full with brexit..
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[Robby]

The "CBT abuse" comment tickles me.

Do your CBT, do your test, ride for the rest of your life.

Do your CBT, don't do your test, and your guaranteeing a day's training and a test every two years for CBT retake.

So harder for bad habits to creep in on the perpetual CBT people.