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Posted: 16:00 - 19 Nov 2017 Post subject: Re: Autonomous cars |
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adam277 wrote: | Dunno if this has been mentioned yet but do you think bikes will still be about in 30 years time with all these autonomous vehicles? |
I'll be 77 and having to ask my GP to write me a letter to accompany my Driving licence renewal.
And I am still younger than the demographic of the average full-bike-licence holder.....
I really doubt that between tablet-organizers and incontinence pants, I or very many other full-licence holders that haven't had to jump through 3DL hoops t get it, will really be all too worried about it.
The very very few that remain, who will have had to jump through 3DL hoops, and suffer emission zone restrictions and gawd knows what else trying to squeeze them off the road, will either suck it up, or give it up...
If the baloon hasn't gone up, and we are all riding survival specials in Hazmat suits! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Well, Clarkson has just annonunced that a driverless car which he was in almost killed him twice the other day.
So that's that, then. ____________________ KC100->CB100N->CB250RS--------->DL650AL2->R1200RS->R1250RS |
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It will eventually turn into similar as I-robot with the assisted driving. What is interesting is with these autonomous vehicles apparently they are going to have proximity sensors get too close and they will jam on the breaks. Personally I can see it being the end of filtering, which is a big plus in many car drivers books. ____________________ CB125>CG125>GN125>ER5>K100RS>R1100RS>K100RS
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I think the truly autonamous car is not going to be the mainstream solution. Far too many variables on UK roads.
If I was in charge, I'd make lane 3 a designated "road train" lane for autonamous vehicles on selected motorways. Self-driven vehicles aren't allowed to use it. On the approach to junctions, there would be a "hazard line" system where you aren't allowed to change lane or overtake in a similar way to French toll roads to facilitate vehicles joining and leaving the train.
What they do need to sort out, and sort out soon, is a legal framework for financial liability in the case of accidents. Does it lie with the owner of the car who caused the accident, the manufacturer, the software designer, the road maintainer? ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Posted: 18:59 - 19 Nov 2017 Post subject: Re: Autonomous cars |
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ThatDippyTwat wrote: | Teflon-Mike wrote: | I'll be 77 and having to ask my GP to write me a letter to accompany my Driving licence renewal. |
Given your spewing of "back in my day" postings, I thought you were there or thereabouts already.
As for the OP - I suspect the main market for autonomous vehicles will be taxi's, pool cars etc. I can't see that kind of tech coming down in price as to be affordable. Given the slowing of new ways to compute stuff faster, saying buh-bye to "Moores law" and there are limits to what ASIC's can do, just the computing power alone is going to cost as much as an average used car, not to mention the current astronomical cost of things such as LIDAR etc. |
True true. Also the AJSDJ is a limiting factor.
The JKLDI will warp due to the processing speeds
Not to mention the KLASOIIASDJASDJAWIEAWJDAHWDJAWELKAWLDWAJD which will self destruct when intergreated into the AJDJWAJDAWJ
And don't get me started on the flux capacitor!
Seriously though. Watch the video its all there. The only limiting factor is the limited amount of data. More cars = more data. The way I see it is it is a database that will be continuing filled up every-time someone starts their engine.
Your post over complicates it.
But you sound like you know what your talking about though. Its a engineers job to make it as simple as possible and imo it all comes down to pattern recognition which computers are great at. They just need the database to work off which will come when more people start using them. Far as im aware LIDAR doesnt even work in fog most of these cars use radar.
The technology is here now even if it is currently expensive and somewhat sluggish. It's currently in playstation 1 stage how long before it gets to playstation 4 stage ____________________ Bikes: Previous Bikes: Piaggio x8 125: 2012/2013, YBR 125: 2013/2013 BMW R1150GS 2013/2017, Honda CBR600RR 2017/2017, Honda CB500 2018/2018, Suzuiki Address 110cc 2019/2020, BMW R1200GS 2021-2023
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Posted: 19:54 - 19 Nov 2017 Post subject: Re: Autonomous cars |
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It' astounding how much technology needs to be chucked at the 'problem' of re-inventing the 'tram' really....
The only difference is that you get a personal trolly car!
As far as the technology goes, interesting as it may be.... look at Sat-Nav!
Thirty years worth of militery grade rocket science aero-space development and testing, an infrastructure of satellites stuck in the sky to support it... all so that a drone driver stops having to think for themselves and can drive off the end of a pier, or into a river, or the wrong way up a motorway.. and have 'something' to blame but their own stupidity!
Notion of an even greater level of devolved daftness and foul-up potential put into every vehicle on the roads, boggles!
Remember the old addage; to err is human, to really foul things up you need a computer!
adam277 wrote: | Its a engineers job to make it as simple as possible |
It is the engineers job to employ technology in order to solve a problem.... so first identify 'the problem'....
Here, I'll do it for you. PEOPLE, and I stress that part... cant drive, or cant be bothered to drive or want the traffic lights to always be on green for them....
Obviouse solution, is pretty simple DRIVER EDUCATION! Teach them to drive properly in the first place! Then maintain that standard with proper traffic regulation. A computer algorithm can not solve all the problems here, no matter how much processes power or big a data-base you chuck at it... traffic lights still have to be red for some and green for others and switch betwixt the two.
You can please some of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time...
Whatever 'The System', at best it will only ever please some of the people some of the time, and every body will have to live with the compromise.
So, the art of engineering; WHAT is the best compromise?
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Autonomous cars will become mainstream sooner or later.
The tech exists already.
Check out CCTV cameras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE1kA0Jy0Xg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVFTm5R8LLM
Real time identification and tracking. Bad PRC? Bad Japan? It's something that was announced on the London tube quite a long time ago.
The problem is there is a paradox at the heart of it.
If such tech does become mainstream then people will have very few places to go and to be. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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There is obviously the moral dilemma. Who to blame when something goes wrong. Are we going to blame the car manufacturer, the passenger behind the wheel, the owner of the automobile?
That is the actual reason why autonomous driving will never be a thing. Accident avoidence systems will be a part of the automotive future, but I very doubt the cars are going to drive themselves on daily bases. Something that's already here and works, to a certain extent. Many car manufaturers put these avoidence systems into their top tier cars and just like the airbags and ABS once being only for the best paying customers, these systems will make their way into the more afordable models.
Also, what about hackers? The Tesla cars have constant internet connection and everything is being controled by the on board computer. How hard could it be to hack into it and make the car make a mistake?
A history lesson;
Self driving automobiles were here long before Musk even finished the primary school. In 1995 a Mercedes-Benz w140 went from Munich to Copenhagen and back, no body died. Everything was controlled by a computer and all the commands were based on a real-time evaluation of image sequences caught by four cameras. While on the Autobahn, the w140 did 115 mph, overtaking other slower going vehicles.
My personal opinion;
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There was a "Horizon" documentary about this in June.
The main conclusion was, the current technology is simply not good enough and will not be for some time!
Following on from that, the other conclusion was if, (and it was a very big IF), fully autonomous cars do ever make it onto the roads they will be restricted to very specific areas, namely large cities, where specific infrastructure will have been put in place to assist the vehicles.
If like me you live out in the sticks you're never, ever, going to see one. ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!" |
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I'm merely reporting what was said in the documentary. ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!" |
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There will be really simple ways to troll these automatic cars and make them misbehave. Someone will figure out that
putting a sticker over a sensor or camera or a similarly simple and low tech method will scupper these cars. Then they
will steal the wheels and rob the daydreaming occupants. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 158 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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