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stevo as b4 wrote: | I appreciate it's a totally different thing down south/London regarding the state of public transport, the overcrowding and the other factors such as the low life's, sick infected people and poor service/reliability.
But do any of you outside of the smoke or other busy inner city ares, actually use the bus services in your county/Borough?
Reason I ask, is that I'm trying to understand or differentiate between those that hate public transport because it's wronged them, harmed them or been extremely unpleasant. And those that have a stigma and just wouldn't be seen dead on a bus or think it's too common or beneath them?
I use alot of West Midlands buses and trains for getting around, and do many more miles a year on public transport generally that I do on a bike, or any of my vehicles car/cycles etc.
I actually like public transport, if it works and doesn't let me down too often. I like the idea of moving commuters around en-mass in a more efficient and less congested way than us all sitting in a car or on a bike. I think the only chance the UK has as a future for growing the economy and reducing ill health, and actually allowing more people to get to work is in massively improved and invested in public transport.
In maybe 15years time, I predict that roads will be too busy for anyone to actually drive anywhere or be able to park.
Bikes, cars, scooters and 4x4's to me are about fun, hobbies, ways to relieve you of your disposable cash, and things to enjoy. None are serious future forms of daily transport in busy city's or regions. Id like to own my own vehicles for several decades, but I'm definitely not too snobby or important to use public transport, and I never will be. |
The problem with public transport is that it needs to be really good before its not a total pain in arse. The bar is set incredibly high compared to private transport.
For example, my commute into Nottingham- I can (and have) taken public transport: 20 min walk->1hr train->20 min bus ride at other end (assuming traffic isn't too bad). Repeat on the way back. Only one train an hour so miss one and you have an hour to wait. They stop at ~9, so don't work too late, If I want to be in for 9, I have to leave the house at 6AM (to travel 25 miles!). And finally, it costs £15 PER DAY (probably drop that to 10 if I had the 4K spare for a season ticket).
The alternative to 3-4hrs per day on public transport? Bike, 40-45minutes on a good day. Morning/evening rush hour pushes it to 1hr to 1.10hrs. 5-10 minutes at each end to get gear on/off.
Public Transport needs to offer a service similar to that of a car/bike before people will change to it. I used to live in Edinburgh, for the most part the buses there are top notch, it makes sense in that case. It's an awfully expensive standard to match (autonomous cars?)
On Topic: Never used a steering lock. 1st didn't work, never bothered with the others. I don't see the point of them tbh, if someone has come close enough to test the steering lock they are already committed. best to send them on to other (less well secured) bikes with an obvious disc lock/brake lock/Ulock. ____________________ I tell you what, mathematically, I'm having it |
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I'm generally of the opinion that public tranport is shit and should fuck off.
At home its about a mile to the station, but there are only a couple trains a day (village), and they stop before I would be wanting to return home, so no dice. I used the service to get to work once last year because I fell of my bike, fucked that and hurt my leg so I couldn't drive properly. Took about 2hrs45 to do 50 miles and required a trip into central birmingham, a walk across town and then a shit slow train back from there. Cost me £18 return I think (car used to cost £8 in fuel, £2 in insurance and a nominal £1 in expendables each day), but I could do the trip in 1hr30 in the car or maybe 1hr15 on the bike.
At Uni I could use the bus day to day if I was so inclined. Service is pretty good and at £250/yr it isn't prohibitive. However, I tend to buy a cheap bike for £30 on gumtree, get to uni quicker, save monies and accept that I'll get wet once a week. I never have to wait for buses, it's always there when I want it and it's always going exactly where I want. Never had one nicked yet, but I'd have to loose 8 of them a year to equal the bus pass costs... ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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stinkwheel wrote: | Falco wrote: | I used to live in Edinburgh, for the most part the buses there are top notch, it makes sense in that case. It's an awfully expensive standard to match (autonomous cars?) |
Funny. I lived in Edinburgh 17 years ago and I always used to consider it quicker to just fucking walk. Even if it was miles. I once had to take my bike exhaust down to motocal when they were on Ferry road from my flat in Newington. I tried it by bus the once and by the time I'd stood waiting for each of the three buses it took to get there, I could have walked there AND saved myself a fiver.
That's before you got to the fact that the bus system is almost entirely opaque to anyone other than grannies as to which one you need to take, from where and how much you're supposed to pay. So if there wasn't a Granny to ask, you stood no chance.
"Right son, you need the 16 for two fare stops then swap ontae the 205 'till one past the shops then get the 23." |
Interesting. I last used the buses there about 7 years ago. With liberal application of bus lanes I found it somewhere between cycling and walking in terms of speed (depending on where the route went - anything going through princes street was a no-go). Online/phone app with live departures, maps at every bus stop (well most of them) and an all day ticket for £2.50 (my spies in the north tell me the price has reached £4 now) made it a viable mode of transport. Not optimal, but viable. ____________________ I tell you what, mathematically, I'm having it |
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I've used the train for work for a few months at a time, but most of my public transport use in for social/domestic purposes. Visiting friends and family, and days out somewhere different, or to get me and my mountain bike to some interesting places for off road rides etc.
Unlike the examples above, I live 5min walk from the local station, on a main line. Therefore in peak times there's a train every 20min max and at other times probably every 30-40min.
For work it's about 20miles to a city outskirts depot, and thats £7 a day return. At the other end it's about 8min walk to work. Still not bad for the distance, and because it's slow crawling traffic for most of the journey by road, I'd expect petrol consumption to be that much or more a day, and that's not taking into account car/bike running costs.
I do get that if your out in the sticks, or on a branch line, or just a south East trains user your rather more fucked than my situation.
Buses, bit more hit and miss here, but even with hourly services, I live 2min walk from a bus stop and only 15min from the bus stand in town. Im lucky compared to some, and to that end even if my commute on public transport is over an hour all told, I can't justify the hassle and expense of an hours drive or ride, and the need to have a reliable and ready to use fueled up car or bike available at all times.
Add to that I wouldn't trust any of my vehicles for daily commuting, even though at the other end they could be locked in a gated compound with cctv. |
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Public transport; meh
To get to collage was one train, every hour, if it turned up, then a half hour walk across town. Couldn't get a student pass for reduced fair as I was traveling across a county boundary and should apparently have been getting on at the next station, the one that closed two years before I was born. The station at town was generally crap, it was the older of the two stations with an un-lit subway and was a bit dodgy.
The bus option was mum driving me for 20 mins to the start of the bus route and me being collected again on the return journey. I used to cycle any day that I didn't have to carry a large portfolio case.
At uni, could never figure out or find out which bus was going where and from where, just cycled everywhere instead.
currently, public transport to get to work is 2hrs 10 mins assuming the bus is not on strike, a different bus company does the return route (exact mirror route) so I can't buy a day saver, have to buy two singles and then two trams across Manchester. I can do the trip by bike and have an hour extra in bed and still be in early / allow for bad traffic and it's cheaper (pubic transport is about £14 per day)
At the first sign of bad weather the busses stop running (but the preserved railway carries on happily but starts running too late to be of use)
If I worked closer to home (I'm only 16 miles away from work) then public transport might be more viable, but then I'd probably start cycling it again. ____________________ Looking to pass your CBT / Bike tests in Bury Lancashire? try www.focusridertraining.co.uk Would recommend.
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The Googlemaps reckons that I would be quicker cycling the 9.4 miles in and 10.7 miles out (wut?) then waiting on the best-case sequence of trains, buses and Hansom cabs necessary to commute.
Today I did foggit out and take the car because of icedeath roads. Even parked miles south of the river to avoid Glasgow's ever-expanding carhate zone, it's still far, far quicker and more convenient than any conceivable prole transport.
Edinburgh, well I did park-and-ride into there a few years back on the X-for-eXpress shuttle bus. It wasn't, then it went downhill from there.
Public transport outside of that London is and will remain primarily the last resort of the desperate. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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arry wrote: | Rogerborg wrote: |
The Googlemaps reckons that I would be quicker cycling the 9.4 miles in and 10.7 miles out (wut?) then waiting on the best-case sequence of trains, buses and Hansom cabs necessary to commute.
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I'm ~20 miles from the epicenter of the entire world (Londinium) and to get ~11 miles in a North Easterly direction from home by train would involve, I kid you not, a walk of 20 minutes and a combination of 3 trains taking a total journey time of one hour and thirty minutes.
Get a bus you say? Yeah cracking, either a 20 minute walk to the applicable bus stop, or a bus to get there taking ~15 minutes from ~5 minutes walk away and then the bus from there which takes an hour and eleven minutes; total journey time still the same as the trains.
That's 11 miles away. Eleven. I can nearly walk it faster. |
That's the problem with public transport, it's patchy. For example I could go door to door from London to North Wales, 2 buses and 2 trains. Then going somewhere 10 miles away where I ideally didn't want to turn up in bike gear, would have needed a bus, 2 trains and a 30min walk at the end, so I did take the bike to avoid a 1hr 40min journey (think it was 30 mins by bike). |
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arry wrote: |
I'm ~20 miles from the epicenter of the entire world (Londinium) and to get ~11 miles in a North Easterly direction from home by train would involve, I kid you not, a walk of 20 minutes and a combination of 3 trains taking a total journey time of one hour and thirty minutes.
Get a bus you say? Yeah cracking, either a 20 minute walk to the applicable bus stop, or a bus to get there taking ~15 minutes from ~5 minutes walk away and then the bus from there which takes an hour and eleven minutes; total journey time still the same as the trains.
That's 11 miles away. Eleven. I can nearly walk it faster. |
Me too more or less (Enfield to Gracechurch St). Plus I had my fill of sitting on the train listening to hookers performing the ancient art of phone-sex, druggies arranging deals and the screams of 'please don't hurt me' from incompetent laptop thieves as the rightful owner and sundry large inky-skinned bystanders recovered said stolen goods in an over-enthusiastic manner.
Plus I always get a fucking seat on the bike! ____________________ They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa, hey-hey,
the men in white coats are coming to take me away.
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I bought a bike to get away from the reliance on public transport. I haven't had a job that just required one bus in a long time, so now, if one is late, or doesn't turn up, or just doesn't stop, then it has a knock on effect for the rest of the trip.
Where I work now is across the road from a job that I had about 6 years ago. It used to take me two buses and a shade under three hours to get here. Worse on the way home.
I now live slightly further away, but can do it door to door in 35 minutes, sometimes quicker, sometimes slower.
Public transport is a joke. Where I live, it was £20 a week, for just Rotherham. If you wanted Rotherham / Sheffield you could add £15. I put £12 in every fortnight for petrol.
In fact, where I live now, I would have to get a bus from one operator to go to the town centre which is going away from where I need to go, and then get two buses to get where I am working.
Alternatively, I could get a bus to town, a train to Doncaster and then the company that I work for have shuttle mini-buses from the train station to the office. I still don't trust any of them to do what I need them to do. ____________________ thx1138 wrote: Well if you had a car, I'd bet it would smell like urine had had drunken sex with vomit and made a poo baby.
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Did you refuse to buy some lucky heather from a gypsy?
Makes you wonder if you'd been better off just wheelying away, calling it in as stolen when you got home, then "finding" it again the next morning. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 145 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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