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Jewlio Rides Again LLB
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 01 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check with the solicitor about tribunal costs and whether they're actually are still your problem.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 01 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they are offering Voluntary Redundancy vs Redunancy, snap their hand off. Money is tax free, which adds even more onto their double offer (essentially).

My wife was made redundant in circumstances, were she was at risk (1 of 2), she opted for voluntary and came out with a 5 figure sum for a similar time period.

Any other interesting wording is questionable. Obviously, as above seek advice. But if it is clearly stated Voluntary Redundancy, you are on to a winner. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 01 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about the redundancy notice.
There's a pretty significant adjustment to make in your own head from having a job to I'm going to be unemployed dolescum, but once you realise that isn't going to be the case, you may actually feel pretty good about it.
As Rog has said, your primary focus is the next job and what interview skills, cv tune up, updated linkedin profile you need to secure it.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 01 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact, even if it isn't voluntary redundancy and you are ultimately willing to accept a compromise agreement if that is what is offered. Ask them to bump up the money to accommodate the amount that you would have lost in tax, compared to a voluntary redundancy package.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 01 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
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I was classed as their IT Manager, but in reality I spent all my time slacking off on BCF.

Wink

They found nobcat on his hard drive.
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 03 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
They found nobcat on his hard drive.


He put nobcat on all the hard drives.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 03 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers all, I was thinking of going in, disabling STP on the switches then causing as many network loops as I can in some hidden sockets somewhere.

But to be honest, lifes to short......

Still waiting on the Solicitor - an to see how much it will cost to get them involved

I'm going into my (ex) employers on Thursday.

I'm going to see a couple of recruitment places on Tuesday after I spammed them with as many CV's as i could send
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 03 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Years ago on site the site engineer had a blazing row with the site manager and got himself sacked. Silly manager should have walked him off the site right away, or at least before he had a chance to paint over the site datum and move the mark down 15mm.

Caused a lot of problems that did.
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
cheers all, I was thinking of going in, disabling STP on the switches then causing as many network loops as I can in some hidden sockets somewhere.

But to be honest, lifes to short......

Still waiting on the Solicitor - an to see how much it will cost to get them involved

I'm going into my (ex) employers on Thursday.

I'm going to see a couple of recruitment places on Tuesday after I spammed them with as many CV's as i could send


It shouldn't cost you anything to get them to look over the compromise agreement. The employer must pay for your independent legal advice in these circumstances. The solicitor should be one of your choosing, not the employer's and you can ask as many questions as you want/need to about your rights in this position.

Good luck Thumbs Up

Edit: The payoff should be tax-free up to £30k. Push for holiday pay, pay in lieu of notice and anything else you can think of to be rolled up into the redundancy settlement
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PostPosted: 01:32 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Years ago on site the site engineer had a blazing row with the site manager and got himself sacked. Silly manager should have walked him off the site right away, or at least before he had a chance to paint over the site datum and move the mark down 15mm.

Caused a lot of problems that did.

A guy I worked with made a dirty protest Laughing Now people get escorted off site by security.
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you work in IT, generally you get walked off site and paid in lieu of notice, any outstanding holiday pay + whatever you are due in redundancy with all site passwords changed / access revoked.

If they don't do this then demand it - it also means you can charge them a bloody fortune if they come begging for favours instead of "you still have access, could you just".

I was asked for a day rate to come back and do some stuff for my former, i quoted them £5k cos i knew it would be a cold day in hell before they agreed and as far as i was concerned, hell could have been frozen for a millennia before i'd even consider helping.

Take the money and your skills and find a decent employer who wants you. If you time it right you get a new bike and a new job, if you don't then you get 6 months gardening leave and a new job in the summer Smile

edit: Do NOT forget to go and sign on.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
The employer must pay for your independent legal advice in these circumstances.

Because why?

The nearest that I can see is paying at most 40% of one week's pay (i.e. 2 day's worth) for job seeking.


Oh, hang on: "The statutory redundancy notice periods are: 12 weeks’ notice if employed for 12 years or more"

https://www.gov.uk/redundant-your-rights/notice-periods

They have of course offered you a consultation, yes?
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
The employer must pay for your independent legal advice in these circumstances.

Because why?



I don't think the're legaly obliged to, But.... the agreement won't be legally binding unless you do recieved independant advise from an acreditted person and such is identified in the document , so as they are the ones who want it signed and protecting them it's in their interest to pay for it.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkeywrencher wrote:
the agreement won't be legally binding unless you do recieved independant advise from an acreditted person and such is identified in the document

Because why?
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4395
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair point, that is what ACAS reckon.

ACAS wrote:
Code of Practice [...] For the settlement agreement to be legally binding

ACAS recommendations are binding over courts? If the employee is unable to afford professional advice, does that mean that the agreement is not binding on the employer, or is it not binding on the employee? Thinking

I rather suspect that the truth is closer to: Failure to follow the Code will not make an organisation liable to proceedings or lead to an adjustment of any compensatory award, but the guidance in the Code will be taken into account by employment tribunals in relevant cases and failure to follow its recommendations could lead to adverse findings against the relevant party.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
The employer must pay for your independent legal advice in these circumstances.

Because why?

The nearest that I can see is paying at most 40% of one week's pay (i.e. 2 day's worth) for job seeking.


Oh, hang on: "The statutory redundancy notice periods are: 12 weeks’ notice if employed for 12 years or more"

https://www.gov.uk/redundant-your-rights/notice-periods

They have of course offered you a consultation, yes?


A CA can contain any number as long as both parties (under advice) agree is acceptable.

Consultation is irrelevant, this is a mutually agreed end to the employment contract by way of a Compromise Agreement, it is not a redundancy in the statutory sense.

I've done many of these during my career, for employees and I accepted one myself, which contained a very large number, apropos nothing, except I would not accept less than that to go quietly...........
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear that, shit timing although I don't suppose there is a good time.
A point to remember is they can't make you redundant, it is your position that is going. They will obviously need IT in the future and need it managing in some way. They don't want a consultation period just to get on and outsource it or whatever they plan. The fact they are offering a compromise agreement shows they aren't confident a tribunal would go their way. Therefore use this.
See an employment specialist solicitor (I used my unions solicitors), don't accept the first offer, they will go more, accept you are done with them.
I ended up getting twice what they originally offered, was in a new job the following week.
Since then I went self employed, wish I'd done it years ago, have you considered that?

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