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Ribenapigeon
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: What's your (social) credit rating. Reply with quote

Those whacky Chinese are on top Orwellian form with this.
https://futurism.com/china-social-credit-system-rate-human-value/

So, how long before our superiors introduced this here in Blighty?
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You fucking piece of shit.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a nightmare world, where people are held accountable for their choices and actions, and the trusting are protected from the predatory. Pale

I'll get to work on that 5th blob, I guess.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my standpoint, its already happening here (as in western countries). Try doing anything with a bad credit rating, especially in an economy forcing the use of credit cards in place of cash. Most of the young are being trained to use a heavily data mined smart phone to do everything, most of their life-styles are already mapped and stored. The Chinese are just planning to do what Experion has quite openly for years.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP is fucked if they do introduce it here.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like they're adopting our class system.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 04 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Sounds like they're adopting our class system.

Eloi and Morlocks?
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PostPosted: 01:37 - 05 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the risk management aspect is interesting. That this system protects the state/society/system from potentially hazardous individuals. Ive suspected for a long time that many of the laws and enforcement agencies and standards wd have are essentially just risk management. There to protect some elite groups from the chaotic and potentially dangerously free thinking rest of us.
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PostPosted: 02:17 - 05 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't be arsed to read the details but it's nothing that is in use in some form here already. Someone already said credit ratings, so with that, add in criminal records, web activity and everything else I'm sure they monitor now but don't tell you and you are approaching that sort of shite already.

My new Firefox in the highlights already has a prominently displayed picture of nobcat (uncensored) from where ste put a link on a thread and I (stupidly) opened it. If my browser does it, I'm sure GCHQ has a quick look every now and again. Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 05 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference appears to be that in free and open UKia, only the State and Big Business can find out if you're scamscum. In despotic China, regular people will be able to see each other's worth. Madness!
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 05 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old news tbh.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is really old news, and as others have said it's nothing different from the public ratings systems we already go by.

It's perfectly acceptable to rate businesses, products, ebay sellers etc, or to be openly hostile about a certain person or entity on social media. Giving people incentives to be socially 'good' is hardly a leap into the unknown.

Only counterargument that could be made is that the idea of 'good' is going to be whatever the state deems to be 'good'. However, those who automatically start thinking of 1984, widespread oppression or dumbing down of the masses need only look around themselves for a few minutes to see how this is happening in 'The Free World' already.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
.... Trust the powers that be.... .


Its Fascism really. If you find you don't conform then your lack of "social credit" will see you exciled or more likely internally confined to some desolate corner of the country. And what determines credibility in our society today? The willingness to purchase heaps of crap at Christmas so as to keep the economy and the elites gin palaces afloat .
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The difference appears to be that in free and open UKia, only the State and Big Business can find out if you're scamscum. In despotic China, regular people will be able to see each other's worth. Madness!



Hows your zeroone rating?
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
And what determines credibility in our society today? The willingness to purchase heaps of crap at Christmas so as to keep the economy and the elites gin palaces afloat .



Funny you say this. As in the UK a lot of people from cultures East of Istanbul are punished by credit rating agencies and banks for not participating in the above.

Borrow money from a bank? Participate in usury? Why would you do that? When you can borrow off each other for pretty much nothing and pay for things outright.

A few weeks ago the other half bought a Honda Jazz outright the salesman was dumbfounded that she didn't want to finance it or borrow for it.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
.... Trust the powers that be.... .

Its Fascism really.

It's socialism.

Mind, they're both totalitarian systems that despise individuality, with very little to distinguish them in practice.


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A few weeks ago the other half

Whoa there, you can't just spring that on us! Is this the doctor that you never see, BDSM Miss Whiplash, or is there some fresh meat nagging that you only sprung £500 for lunch?
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
.... Trust the powers that be.... .


Its Fascism really. If you find you don't conform then your lack of "social credit" will see you exciled or more likely internally confined to some desolate corner of the country. And what determines credibility in our society today? The willingness to purchase heaps of crap at Christmas so as to keep the economy and the elites gin palaces afloat .


It's not fascism. Everyone uses labels, spying, propaganda, personal information etc. to manipulate the masses, whether it be financially or politically and it's become much worse in the digital age. The left wing use labels and name calling way more than anyone else nowadays. If you don't conform to their way of thinking they'll stick a label on you that shows how horrible you are and force you to conform.

Not pro multicultural - racist
Not pro diversity - racist
Pro brexit - racist
Anti immigration - racist
Anti refugee - racist
Anti Islamic in any form - Islamaphobic, racist
Not pro labour - elitist, snob. (racist if you can't stand Diane Abbott)
Not pro Labour taxing you to the eyeballs - elitist, snob, rich bastard,
Pay minimum tax - Tax thief, tax evader, snob, rich bastard, tory.
Anti hug a hoodie - elitist, snob, out of touch,
Anti hug a black hoodie - elitist, snob, out of touch, racist
Send you kids to private school - elitist, snob, out of touch, (unless you are Diane Abbott.)

I'm sure I could think of more but I'm not that bored yet.

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PostPosted: 13:38 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
.. Its not Fascism... :


Yes it is. It seeks to evolve a mainstream monoculture that will automatically discriminate against anyone who doesn't conform. Its just data orientated rather than genetic or cultural heritage orientated. Its a repetition of the psuedo-science that was behind some of the excesses of the eugenisists last century as well.

It will likely decide men are essentially redundant as well. So book your place in the gas chamber chaps.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
.. Its not Fascism... :


Yes it is. It seeks to evolve a mainstream monoculture that will automatically discriminate against anyone who doesn't conform. Its just data orientated rather than genetic or cultural heritage orientated. Its a repetition of the psuedo-science that was behind some of the excesses of the eugenisists last century as well.

It will likely decide men are essentially redundant as well. So book your place in the gas chamber chaps.


That is exactly how the left work. See my tongue in cheek comments above. People got sacked for being called racist because they didn't conform to Labours multiculturalism views.

There again, thinking about the benign dictator Tony Blair Rolling Eyes , you are correct, a fascist.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
It seeks to evolve a mainstream monoculture that will automatically discriminate against anyone who doesn't conform.

Why did you choose "fascism" (national socialism) to describe that, when communism (global socialism) has the same goal of puritanical ideological monoculture, and predated it?
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
It seeks to evolve a mainstream monoculture that will automatically discriminate against anyone who doesn't conform.

Why did you choose "fascism" (national socialism) to describe that, when communism (global socialism) has the same goal of puritanical ideological monoculture, and predated it?


Because that's my preference.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Because that's my preference.

I don't think you should be allowed a choice.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There again, thinking about the benign dictator Tony Blair Rolling Eyes , you are correct, a fascist.


I don't regard Blair as Labour or a progressive socialist. He was a sneaky right winger who realised for his generation to get power then the imploding Footite Labour Party was the most convenient vehicle.

Personally I see socialism as essentially pluralist. Something the right can never be.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
I see socialism as essentially pluralist.

Welcoming diversity in everything except thought, speech or action.

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Something the right can never be.

Sure, tolerance for individualism is oppression.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 06 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
Because that's my preference.

I don't think you should be allowed a choice.


You should get a job in Bruxelles. Laughing
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