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PostPosted: 15:21 - 13 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah, the same circular arguments.... So predictable. Mind you, it is a small gene pool on this particular forum and an even smaller one on this particular element.

Bit condescending.
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I voted leave. Not from any particular aversion to the EU experiment, to be honest, its not done too badly, but, latterly, the cracks have started to show. It has expanded well beyond its original remit and in the process has begun to do more harm than good, (Greece as a specific example).

Sounds like you're contradicting yourself.
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It needed shaking up. The British political system has been long overdue for a reset. Far as I'm concerned, job done.
Pre referendum, nobody, not even the proposers had any real idea what they wanted and what would happen (in the event of a leave vote). The shock of rejection of the status quo has disrupted all the comfortable certainties. Even the thick bastards in the street have started to take notice.
We have looked over the edge of the precipice and its a long way down. If Alabama has come to its senses, maybe we can too......

Sounds like you want to go right back to where we were. Only we won't - the whole point of the referendum was to remove the anti-EU argument and clear the path for continued federalism. That's where it'll go, cracks and crumbling foundations included.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 13 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Roger..... Its not specifically Tories I'm aiming to upset, but you have to admit, there is a very unwholesome element within the public school set. All that screeches is not harridan. Men who use their position to force themselves on unwilling others (both genders) have a doubtful morality, I, for one, do not feel they are in any position to set the political agenda.
As to Alabama. I doubt the 'revelations' swayed many of them, most I've seen on TV interviews seem quite proud to have been sprogging at fourteen. I think its more than those of them not too deeply inbred have taken a look at their president and come to the logical conclusion.
As to the EU. OK, maybe our, eventual departure, probably, will give the PEOPLE of Europe something to consider. Even if the price of us leaving is some pretty gaping wounds, it will be worth the price just to upset the hegemony of Brussels. Already Merkel is floundering, the French have not exactly clasped their new leader to their bosoms and even the gimmee satellites are making ominous noises. The not unreasonable desire to control who is allowed into your country will be the undoing of the central control, its one edict too many. Cameron dismissed this, he paid the price.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 13 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you have to admit, there is a very unwholesome element within the public school set.

If we're looking for entitled bourgeoisie who've never had to do a day's honest work in their lives, we could start with the Dear Leader of the "Labour" party.

It's OK though, #WeBelieveAllVictims, except the one who accused Clive Lewis. She's a lying slaaaag.

If you leap to the assumption that's a defence of the Tories, I'll be poised to correct you.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 13 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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you have to admit, there is a very unwholesome element within the public school set.

If we're looking for entitled bourgeoisie who've never had to do a day's honest work in their lives, we could start with the Dear Leader of the "Labour" party.

It's OK though, #WeBelieveAllVictims, except the one who accused Clive Lewis. She's a lying slaaaag.

If you leap to the assumption that's a defence of the Tories, I'll be poised to correct you.


Don't forget Kelvin Hopkins.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 13 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Don't forget Kelvin Hopkins.

They're hoping we will, I think. Cold winter, anything could happen.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 13 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Roger, when I start plotting I cast my net far and wide.

Just watching a docu on the rise of Hitler. The promises he made sound suspiciously like the twaddle we are being fed. Making the country great again, bread for all, whatever you think you want you can have.... Easy to manipulate a populace when its left with no viable alternatives.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 13 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The promises he made sound suspiciously like the twaddle we are being fed. Making the country great again, bread for all, whatever you think you want you can have....

Sure, the State will provide, if you pledge allegiance to the State.

Hitler was a socialist. That's what they do.

We used to have a Tory party that wasn't socialistic.

Now? I don't really see that much difference among the LibLabCon Collective. Quarter of a percent tax here, a million more or less in subsidy there, it's just shades of red.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 13 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

jjdugen wrote:
Merkel is floundering, the French have not exactly clasped their new leader to their bosoms and even the gimmee satellites are making ominous noises. The not unreasonable desire to control who is allowed into your country will be the undoing of the central control, its one edict too many. Cameron dismissed this, he paid the price.

Still don't really get the whole Macron thing. If the EU was a Netflix series you'd almost think there was a super villain behind the scenes pulling the strings Thinking

The rest of the EU's teetering. Pretty much every main contributor to the EU budget has major rumblings of discontent, sure its been portrayed in the media as yes we beat these nazi bastards, but it isn't going to go away. You'd be better off acknowledging these misgivings than trying to drown them out, as they're only going to grow otherwise.

We're merely the first to bail. It'll be interesting in x amount of years if the EU does fall apart what the remoaners have to say. I assume something along the lines of oh well or it happened because we left.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It'll be interesting in x amount of years if the EU does fall apart what the remoaners have to say. I assume something along the lines of oh well or it happened because we left.


I suspect if the EU does start crumbling, the discontented countries will just up and leave, thumb their noses at the remnants, and will not be paying billions for the privilege!
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
M.C wrote:
It'll be interesting in x amount of years if the EU does fall apart what the remoaners have to say. I assume something along the lines of oh well or it happened because we left.


I suspect if the EU does start crumbling, the discontented countries will just up and leave, thumb their noses at the remnants, and will not be paying billions for the privilege!

Hey we agree on something Smile Neither should we but they need that money to keep the lights on, and we've done an amazing job showing a united front during negotiations*

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PostPosted: 09:27 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

This seems largely moot now since Parliament decided - and I think we should be honest about what this means - that they're going to reject any "deal" that Treasona pretends to have achieved.

Absent stringing the whole lot up from lamp-posts and starting over, we're not leaving the EU.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

At some point the general population is going to notice that dates have passed and we're still in the EU.
Next general election in 2022.
Corbyn is 68 now, so will be 72 looking at a five year term to 77. Would he stand down before then or carry on?
Farage could make a comeback, but in what party / form? Would he try and lead a party or would he identify and support pro-Brexit MP's from all parties to try and achieve a coalition that would exit the EU and that he's not even a part of?
Long range forecasts of the EU over the next 4 years......?
Superstate with it's own EU army?

The next French election is in 2022.
The next German election is 2021.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

jjdugen wrote:


Just watching a docu on the rise of Hitler. The promises he made sound suspiciously like the twaddle we are being fed. Making the country great again, bread for all, whatever you think you want you can have.... Easy to manipulate a populace when its left with no viable alternatives.


I don't think Corbyn is that bad.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
jjdugen wrote:
Just watching a docu on the rise of Hitler.

I don't think Corbyn is that bad.

True, I can't recall him saying anything about gypsies or the gays.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

True, I can't recall him saying anything about gypsies or the gays.


He reminds me of the stereotypical bumbling English teacher.
Funny, I can't recall anything my English teacher said either Thinking

Aaaaanyway....I'm gonna call it. Remainers wish to be absorbed into the superstate and give up national identity.
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
This seems largely moot now since Parliament decided - and I think we should be honest about what this means - that they're going to reject any "deal" that Treasona pretends to have achieved.

Absent stringing the whole lot up from lamp-posts and starting over, we're not leaving the EU.



Rejecting a deal still means hard brexit. It's not the choice of the UK Parliament anymore.

The EU have said you're welcome back into the fold, but must join Euro, no rebate, full Schengen integration.

Which pretty means hard brexit is the ONLY brexit.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

More utter boring drama

Although is it any wonder Mp's cant be trusted, when they say it's not about stopping brexit, yet all the anti brexit ones are saying it is, aha

We're long past the stage of brexit being stopped now, it's bizarre in a democracy that we're even contemplating it
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Aaaaanyway....I'm gonna call it. Remainers wish to be absorbed into the superstate and give up national identity.

I seem to remember stating clearly that I'm not in favour of federalism.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't this what Gina Miller set out to achieve?
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Which pretty means hard brexit is the ONLY brexit.

That's always been the case.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Itchy wrote:
Which pretty means hard brexit is the ONLY brexit.

That's always been the case.


What a minute, what about the red, white and blue Brexit, that May wanted? Thinking
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Rejecting a deal still means hard brexit. It's not the choice of the UK Parliament anymore.

The full plan, such as it is:

1) Do zero preparation for a no-deal result. Mission achieved by default.

2) Make a complete and utter hash of the "negotation" to produce a "deal" that's so bad that it makes Rainpal® look like a sure fire winner. In progress.

3) Parliament then get to say that they have no choice but to reject the "deal" at the 11th hour.

4) Leaving Treasona May free to say that, well, we can't leave either, because who would have predicted a rejection of the "deal"?

Oh, we'd love to leave, really we would, but nobody has any choice. We'll simply have to stay in / rejoin, don't you see? No other reasonable option is left.

So back we go, begging and pleading and offering anything in order to achieve:

Itchy wrote:
welcome back into the fold, but must join Euro, no rebate, full Schengen integration.

And this Europhile Parliament and Europhile government will gnash their teeth and blame each other while weeping salty crocodile tears of triumph.

Strong and stable betrayal.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


So back we go, begging and pleading and offering anything in order to achieve:


I'm not even sure that they will accept the UK back immediately though.

If they drag their heels it could be several years before the UK is allowed back and they could exploit the situation massively in the interim.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 14 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone explain, please.
We are a net contributor to the EU budget, importing more than we export as well as the membership fees. But we are borrowing billons to prop up the economy. So.... We are putting our grandchildren in debt to stay in the EU..... Please tell me this has some element of sense in it.......
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