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drimena
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 15 Dec 2017    Post subject: Help in choosing the pants Reply with quote

Hi guys, I'm in need of a pair of trousers and I've been given a fair deal for two of the IXS textile models, IXS Nandi and IXS Nairobi. Both models fullfil my needs in terms of features they have and I like the look but I'm mainly confused about the construction materials. Nandi is made of 500d AIRGUARD and 630d DYNAX while the Nairobi is made of 600D Polyoxford and 1000D AIRGUARD.

Does anyone know what's the main difference here and if one is much better quality than the other? I tried googling but didn't found any info on this.

I'm riding the FZ6 and the winter here is not that harsh, around 5c at coldest

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Freddyfruitba...
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 15 Dec 2017    Post subject: Re: Help in choosing the pants Reply with quote

drimena wrote:
Does anyone know what's the main difference here and if one is much better quality than the other?

Well, the "D" means "denier", which is a measure of the thickness of the thread used to make the fabric. Basically, the higher the denier, the thicker the thread, and the more abrasion resistance the fabric will have.

So 1000D Airguard will be stronger than 500D; but I doubt (but don't know) the numbers translate into 'twice' the abrasion resistance.

I doubt that 630D and 600D are greatly different; but without knowing anything about the different materials, who knows? Maybe Polyoxford is inherently tougher than Dynax despite the lower threadcount?

I also have no idea where these materials are used in the clothing; eg if one of them is used just in the lining then the significance of it's abrasion resistance will be minimal compared to the outer layer.

FYI I have two IXS textile jackets and trousers myself and certainly rate them (though I'm not looking to test their abrasion resistance any time soon). When I bought my second jacket (a summer one) I was in just the same position as you, and I agree it's a complete pain in the arse that they can't be clearer about all these bespoke materials and where they are actually used within the garments.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 25 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The outer skin materials wont tell you much, look up reviews of the product. A decent review will measure water absorbsion, which is often not mentioned. Some textiles are good, some absorb buckets and never dry.

In most situations, leather is better.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 25 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bodyguard wrote:
kramdra wrote:
In most situations, leather is better.

Leather is for arse bandits and weekend warriors.
I wear a leather bike jacket and do 10.000 miles plus a year in all weather. Recalculate your thinking.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 25 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because bodyguard wears leather when out dogging at weekends doesn't mean that weekend casual gay sex is the only use for leathers.

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PostPosted: 23:07 - 25 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leather in anything 10c and over, better abrasion resistance. Just because bodytard has flashbacks from being forcibly bummed by thai rentboys when he see's it...
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
The outer skin materials wont tell you much, look up reviews of the product. A decent review will measure water absorbsion, which is often not mentioned. Some textiles are good, some absorb buckets and never dry.

In most situations, leather is better.


Track use and hoonage yes, but I'd disagree for commuting.

I've just bought some goretex ixs pants for ~£150, water proof is essential for me after regularly arriving in work looking like I've pissed myself, as is whipping them off quick ready for action. Shocked

Tight leather pants are a faff over work clothes.

Didn't fancy wearing 3 pairs of pants (work, leather, waterproofs) and waterproof leather is also expensive so the versatility and ease of care of textiles is what won me over.

Dynax is a marketing term for abrasion resistant outer fabric, and airguard is the brand for the insulative layer.

Denier is the measure of thread density, but is just a number until you try them on.
Higher denier would be warmer and more abrasion resistant.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatDippyTwat wrote:
Just because bodytard has flashbacks from being forcibly bummed by thai rentboys when he see's it...


They are not flashbacks, they are in his wank-bank
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PostPosted: 04:08 - 27 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuting is hoonage.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 27 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I commute all year round and wear leathers.

F...ing hate textiles, makes me sweat and they smell.

I just layer up and put a raincoat and pants over in raining.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 28 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:
raincoat and pants over in raining.


No. Do not do this.

Layers correct. In this weather I have a thin jumper and thick hoodie. Last year I found jogging bottoms provide superior warmth under leathers but its not really needed and wont fit under my current pair.

The only item I am having issues with, major issues, are these shitting expensive, rubbish, richa goretex textile gloves. I had a numb but dry left hand today. Muffs and heated grips had no chance, the outher layer absorbs water and becomes freezing cold like hand in an ice bucket.

Do not buy textiles for winter or rain use unless you trust the person who is telling you they are good. Most are not.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 28 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

So errrr, who else doesn't wear pants?

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PostPosted: 10:36 - 28 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pants are for arse bandits and, etc.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 28 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Layers correct. In this weather I have a thin jumper and thick hoodie. Last year I found jogging bottoms provide superior warmth under leathers but its not really needed and wont fit under my current pair.


I generally only wear a t-shirt under my jacket.

kramdra wrote:
The only item I am having issues with, major issues, are these shitting expensive, rubbish, richa goretex textile gloves. I had a numb but dry left hand today. Muffs and heated grips had no chance, the outher layer absorbs water and becomes freezing cold like hand in an ice bucket.


That sounds like you are wearing a summer type glove in winter, hardly the gloves fault.

kramdra wrote:
Do not buy textiles for winter or rain use unless you trust the person who is telling you they are good. Most are not.


As usual Kramda is wrong or at best making a maassive generalisation.
If you buy cheap textiles they are rubbish, no argument there. They really are crap and barely last a year without leaking around the shoulders and elbows.
If on the other hand you push the boat out and buy Goretex textiles especially the proshell stuff you will be warm and dry for several years. When it gets cold just add a heated jacket underneath. Even if the heated jacket stops working their thermal qualities are so good they will still keep you warm.

kawakid wrote:
I commute all year round and wear leathers.

F...ing hate textiles, makes me sweat and they smell.

I just layer up and put a raincoat and pants over in raining.


What textiles are you wearing, good quality Goretex or something else?
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 28 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:
F...ing hate textiles, makes me sweat and they smell.


My RST stuff is some of the nicest textiles I've ever had. Really well ventilated, can't speak for winter as I'm not going to ride in the wet... but summer, its proper cool.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 30 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

just a tip for beginners.
Whatever pants it is, but have these way longer than your usual pants. Otherwise there will be a nice cap between boots and pants.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 30 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought some Furygan textiles a while back and can't really fault them. They keep me dry and very warm when I have the thermal lining attached, which only went back in a couple of weeks ago.

The even came away totally unscathed when I had my little off the other week. Very Happy
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